Deckerp
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If it makes it on the ballot it also furthers this trend of ballot box wildlife management, which is one of the fundamental problems as well.
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Yes, CRWM.So
So if a person had a small donation to fight this where would be the best place donate? I was leaning towards Coloradans For Responsible Wildlife Management?
Oak - You said in your last Sportsman roundtable write-up that Jeff Davis, while still a bowhunter and an angler, said that CPW still supports the North American model but will be moving to the mutualistic side. Did he say how he is going to accomplish both? And, would you recommend via email to him asking that with the century plus of a successful model and us backing and paying for this success to define all this publicly? And, maybe press to have his new commissioners as well as Tuchton at least answer the same?Yes, CRWM.
I have heard Director Davis speak on at least one occasion about moving the department toward a "Mutualism" approach. I think hunters and anglers need to openly confront him about this statement during Commission meetings. "Mutualism" is essentially beginning the practice of removing hunting and fishing from wildlife management. To steal a term from the social justice movement, it is a "dog whistle" to any and all anti-hunting activists. Most likely Davis' adoption of mutualism is being directed from the Governor's office. Governor Polis and First Gentleman Marlon Reis were both featured guests at the "Pathways" conference on "Mutualism" hosted at the Anti-Hunting Policy Center at Colorado State University. This is the same conference on wildlife management that all the "traditional" wildlife conservation organizations (hunting and fishing based) were intentionally not invited to. I mean seriously, how can you have a legitimate conversation on wildlife management and conservation in Colorado without @Oak?Oak - You said in your last Sportsman roundtable write-up that Jeff Davis, while still a bowhunter and an angler, said that CPW still supports the North American model but will be moving to the mutualistic side. Did he say how he is going to accomplish both? And, would you recommend via email to him asking that with the century plus of a successful model and us backing and paying for this success to define all this publicly? And, maybe press to have his new commissioners as well as Tuchton at least answer the same?
My thinking is we need to get to the bottom-line of his and the new majority commission's agenda is, and even though they won't comment like prior commissions did before the wolf vote, what the Lion initiative is actually about? We need something publicly documented to unify us, and maybe a little anger towards the new director and the current commission majority is in order. Sorry, but I feel we being blind-sided and the commission's silence on this topic is deadly.
https://savethehuntcolorado.com/So if a person had a small donation to fight this where would be the best place donate? I was leaning towards Coloradans For Responsible Wildlife Management?
x1000 Share it with every single hunter, angler, outdoor enthusiast you know. Every red cent of donations I make this year will be to CRWM. Sorry RMEF, MDF, TRCP, RMBS, BHA, WSF, local animal shelter, homeless shelter, etc. Might as well take me off your fundraising email distro for a while. The fight in Colorado over prop 91/101 is that important to the future of wildlife management and hunting in Colorado, and across the west. I just pray we can come close to matching the millions that will pour in from the national anti-hunting organizations and donors.https://savethehuntcolorado.com/
Can't share this link too often.
I recently had a pre-paid gift card that I didn't want to carry around and hope it was enough to cover a purchase, so I used it to make a donation. If anyone has gift cards and would like help finding the balance or selling the gift card online in order to make a donation, PM me and I will help.
I spoken to some houndsmen in eastern Oregon and through the OFG they still kill about just as bears and lions as before and no tag revenue is generated. I imagine the same in CA.In OR, we lost our ability to effectively manage predators, both Bears and Cats, with Measure 18 in 1994. Legislation to overturn has failed several times. These groups have learned that Initiative Petitions are effective and the only real way to counter them is with education, and that costs money. Hopefully CO can win this one.
Here is what I found in a little research. In California they legally kill around 100 lions each year for depredation concerns. Then they have an additional 1-2 lions killed by vehicles each week. Putting these 2 causes of human mortality at 178 lions a year. I found an article stating the data from CA bounty period. From 1907-1963 over 12,000 lion were killed and turned in for a bounty(I doubt any that were killed turned down the bounty). So from 1907-1963 they killed an average of 220 lions a year in CA. So today we are killing around 180 and back in the bounty period they were killing 220. Adjust for the population and urbanization in California and I am certain a person could argue we are killing more today than eve before...I spoken to some houndsmen in eastern Oregon and through the OFG they still kill about just as bears and lions as before and no tag revenue is generated. I imagine the same in CA.
I think you're attributing comments made by @elkduds to me. I did not participate in the sportspersons roundtable meeting. And I think it is important to understand whether comments made on this forum that are attributed to him are quotes or paraphrasing.Oak - You said in your last Sportsman roundtable write-up that Jeff Davis, while still a bowhunter and an angler, said that CPW still supports the North American model but will be moving to the mutualistic side. Did he say how he is going to accomplish both? And, would you recommend via email to him asking that with the century plus of a successful model and us backing and paying for this success to define all this publicly? And, maybe press to have his new commissioners as well as Tuchton at least answer the same?
My thinking is we need to get to the bottom-line of his and the new majority commission's agenda is, and even though they won't comment like prior commissions did before the wolf vote, what the Lion initiative is actually about? We need something publicly documented to unify us, and maybe a little anger towards the new director and the current commission majority is in order. Sorry, but I feel we being blind-sided and the commission's silence on this topic is deadly.
Go to their FB page and comment, share, like. They have been spending money making quality videos that are targeted to have the most effect:Just want to know how the avg sportsman can be heard.
There is a distinct difference between @Oak 's style of interacting w CPW Board and staff, and mine. I endeavor to learn to be more considered and less confrontive, more solution-focused and less middle-fingered. Oak's way is better.@Oak - Appreciate your response and guidance. Fully agree with the non-combative nature of any communication to appointed officials and never would do so to staff, however from someone who was guilty of standing on the sidelines and only contributing funds on the wolf vote, I have fully heard the call to get involved.
As such, I feel the need to at a minimum get ahead of the real issue even if we can't steer the commission in any way. And secondly, if we can respectfully provoke a response (e.g. if the Mutualistic principle is indeed going to drive CPW and fully define this), then we have a rallying cry for our roundtables, communication to our reps, etc). Because in my limited research, you can not have Mutual and the N. American Model at the same time.
Just want to know how the avg sportsman can be heard. Or, someone tell me to shut up and leave it to the roundtables, Dan Gates (other lobbyists included), etc. and just send money, write to out state/natl reps and promote every likeminded person to vote. Good either way, just want a recommendation.
WYelker, would you please share your sources for these numbers. They are in the ballpark of what I can find, but if I can cite legitimate sources, that would be helpful.Here is what I found in a little research. In California they legally kill around 100 lions each year for depredation concerns. Then they have an additional 1-2 lions killed by vehicles each week. Putting these 2 causes of human mortality at 178 lions a year. I found an article stating the data from CA bounty period. From 1907-1963 over 12,000 lion were killed and turned in for a bounty(I doubt any that were killed turned down the bounty). So from 1907-1963 they killed an average of 220 lions a year in CA. So today we are killing around 180 and back in the bounty period they were killing 220. Adjust for the population and urbanization in California and I am certain a person could argue we are killing more today than eve before...
Oregon is a bit different. They banned the hound hunting and the lion population has went way up and as a result the number of lions killed has also increased. In 1987 is appears that there were around 130 lions killed by hunters and like 5 killed by other means. Then fast forward to 2016 and the data shows that hunters killed 270 and non hunting killed 170. So in this case protecting the lions from hound hunting has moved the kill from 135ish to 440ish... I am certain that today those numbers are up as the lion population has continued to increase..
Both make a great argument for allowing the CPW to handle the management of lions... However the new director and the cancer that is infecting the CPW will someday make it to where even CPW can not be trusted.
Really don't see what this information adds to the discussion besides bringing in misogyny and bigotry.Most of these individuals are single white women educated but have never had a man or a boyfriend, atheist, and don’t believe in having fun.