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technically since it’s based on 5 or more Resident points, there can be tags on there that take many more than 5 nonresident points to draw.View attachment 231518
Why don't we start by using a hypothetical that's actually couched in reality
A guy would really have to have luck on his side to pull this off is what I’m saying. As a non res with 10-15 there are certainly some pretty good tags you can draw, not top tier by any means but good enough that I don’t see just throwing in the towel for the off chance your kid scores a 3 point tag.Apply for 15 years and make a mistake???let alone seeing hundreds of people make mistakes…..nah
If your sitting at 10-15 points….your in no man’s land and you’ll NEVER catch up. Furthermore, If all of your “deadbeat tag buyers” never come west of the Mississippi in their life then, it is a plausible argument that this is happening….
Return the tag, get ready, get set, now refresh, then buy….that’s how it used to be….it was happening and now it’s happening on a different level.
Don’t underestimate peoples abilities to be crafty.
At the very least, It would be VERY interesting to see who is turning tags back in.
I am a little confused about that second bullet point. "If one of the first 5 customers contacted" well how do you get to the second, or fifth customer if the first one would turn it down????View attachment 231518
Why don't we start by using a hypothetical that's actually couched in reality
They contact #1 on the list and give them about 24 hours to decide. If they don't take it, they contact #2, etc.I am a little confused about that second bullet point. "If one of the first 5 customers contacted" well how do you get to the second, or fifth customer if the first one would turn it down????
109 tags were reissued via the reissue list last year that required more than 5 resident pp to draw.View attachment 231518
Why don't we start by using a hypothetical that's actually couched in reality
This is the list that goes on sale August 3rd, right? Will any more tags be added before then?
Which tags were worth more than 5 R pts in secondary? Best I can tell the highest pt tags this year in secondary, for elk, we're all 4 pointers109 tags were reissued via the reissue list last year that required more than 5 resident pp to draw.
That does not include tags that required more than 5pts that were part of the secondary draw.
Agree, no one is dumping a tag for a kid to get. It's more a secondary effect.The example was someone returning a tag worth 22 nr pts so their kid could pick it up on secondary. It's just simply not happening that way, those tags all go out via the 5+ route and never hit secondary or lo day, they all get snatched by other applicants via phone calls or on reissue, like you mentioned.
I think eliminating the OTC tags west of i25 like your suggesting would radically improve the elk hunting state wide in about 5 years.@BoulderBulls my main issues is that CPW repeatedly has said "oh reissue isn't a big deal it's a handful of tags.
Sure... out of 250k elk tags it's a 1,000 or so total.
But, it's a decent percentage of the limited tags, and it's an insane percentage of high point tags, especially if you consider that for a number of units the NR quota is 1.
There are two separate issues in CO... crowding, which is a can of worms that includes non-consumptive users ( I'm crowded by backpackers in my spots waaaaay more than hunters) and point creep, which is really only an issue for the handful of hard to draw units.
Current opinion which is subject to change, as I learn and listen. Allocations should be 80/20 for all units that took 5 resident points the year before, and it floats so could shift back if resident demand decreases. As far as crowding, make all archery hunts draw and then see what that does for a couple of years.
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I think another sublet move that would have the same effect would be to change OTC to unlimited but only available for purchase during the draw + no refunds.I think eliminating the OTC tags west of i25 like your suggesting would radically improve the elk hunting state wide in about 5 years.
I would honestly bet this guy thought he was applying for 201. Look at the code closely and it’s easy to see. He’s got all the right numbers (and that pesky O/0)in all the wrong places. It also wouldn’t surprise me if he’s hunting in 201 this fall completely clueless. Sucks to be him because falling one behind with creep at that point level is gonna cost him a few years if he catches it and turns in.Example 1: The guy who drew the EE012O1M as a NR with 22 points.....You cant honestly tell me that he had ANY intention of hunting that unit on 22 points as a NR....I bet you good money that his tag is one of the two tags that got turned back in and made the secondary list.....This is the kind of crap that I'm suggesting is happening.
They contact #1 on the list and give them about 24 hours to decide. If they don't take it, they contact #2, etc.
Thought about posting, "it's out, there are some good tags on there" and walking away. Not that mean.View attachment 231645
Just waiting for this dang list to come out
I can only imagine the ruckus you’d stir up with that!Thought about posting, "it's out, there are some good tags on there" and walking away. Not that mean.
Seems on par with CPW these days haha... web department and game department weren't on the same page haIt’s out now… but I guess it’s thru a Google doc that you have to request access..?