There is no “hatred” - only big differences in opinions/values. You’re out for the progression of the outfitting industry and private landowner benefit. What’s going on here is going to F**K public land elk and elk hunters and only make any distribution problems WORSE - which is what Worsech and crew are pretending to try and address..
Yet...and let's not pretend it likely isn't happening.
So you are just making assumptions that money is changing hands or will be soon? I will need to do some research on your shoulder season claim in my “spare” time as to not make assumptions if I’m not educated on the topic. You may want to try that at some point as well.
Sorry - got side tracked on the 2022 quota settings for elk in half of Montana..
I wish you would have spoke up and said something like this during your PLPW meeting. Watching that, you’d get the impression that everyone thought these deals are great. “That’s two more cow elk than the public was killing before!”
I’ve never seen where Hanks stated goal “is to make elk distribution worse”.
There was no discussion prior to the meeting and I hadn’t had time to study the issues
This would be a better alternative than the direction things are heading.
This is exactly what WY does and they end up with success rates in the 40-50%s. They actually manage wildlife rather than let the billionaires hold them hostage and pretend that's their only option.
Do you see any problems coming from a program like this? It would definitely disperse the elk more consistently in my opinion.
I think this is where we need to head. People in Montana tend to freak out if you mention something like this though. I could see private land only permits and unit wide permits, similar to what Colorado has.
And…..opened up access for over 300 hunters that never would have had that opportunity. Although not in the private sector….that last sentence describes the President that a lot of people on here got voted in.
This is fascinating to me! (not for the fact that you are correct as you often times are on here)..they freak out because they think that the landowner and/or outfitter is going to actually benefit from it. So what if they do but the elk are getting moved to property that the DIY can get to.
“Jacking up bull tags”? I don’t think that the handful of permits did anything to exacerbate or relieve that problem. The BIOLOGIST’s are the ones “responsible” for upping the permit numbers.
The 454 should have a caveat of significant cow harvest before anything else is agreed upon.
As long as the private land only tags were allocated through a draw and anyone could put in for them, and the tags that were good for public were set at a reasonable number to limit crowding, then I don’t see any problems in that system. Seems like everybody would win, except for maybe the people that would rather go for a walk in the woods with their weapon of choice every year instead of maybe having to go a year or two without a tag and have a quality experience when they do draw.
