Berger elite hunter

[typhoon916]

Does Berger make a 168 gr EH bullet for a 7rem mag . I've tried to look for em but haven't found em yet . My friend and I are reloading shells and where using the 162 gr eldx and I wanted something similar from Berger in grain . I also wanted another bullet to see which shot better out of my gun . Unless I look for the hybrid or the classic instead .

 

[Wind Gypsy]

There is no 168 Elite hunter. 168 VLD hunting and Classic Hunter only. A Rem mag should push a 175 elite hunter pretty good and stabilize if you have a 9 twist and also in a 9.5 twist if you've got a little elevation.

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[ccc23454]

I shot the 175 elite, great bullet

 

[typhoon916]

I also didn't mention that my barrel is 1;8 twist and using h1000 for powder

 

[typhoon916]

There is no 168 Elite hunter. 168 VLD hunting and Classic Hunter only. A Rem mag should push a 175 elite hunter pretty good and stabilize if you have a 9 twist and also in a 9.5 twist if you've got a little elevation.

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Out of the classic hunter , VLD and the EH which is better . Or are they about the same .

 

[Wind Gypsy]

"Better" is subjective and depends on the application. I think understanding the purpose and design intention of each bullet paints the picture.

In general, the VLD line is the traditional high BC bullet lineup, the main compromises being they can be more sensitive to seating depth than the hybrid/classic hunter/elite hunter lines and might not fit well in some magazine setups.

Elite hunter lineup is generally similar to VLD in targeting higher BC and possibly having magazine length constraints but in general the hybrid Ogive shapes tend to be less sensitive to seating depth.

Classic Hunter line was basically created to combat the issues with Magazine length constraints with the VLD, Hybrid Target, and Elite hunter lines. Typically they come in with a little lower BC than some others but there are some exceptions - The 6.5 135 gr is a pretty slick bullet for the weight, the 168 7mm classic hunter is not.

I like the 175 Elite Hunter and 180 Hybrid Targets. The 168 hunting VLD has been a popular bullet for lots of people for quite a while though. I'd try either of those or the 180 hybrid target in the berger lineup.

 

[WapitiBob]

shoot the 180 hybrids

 

[Doublecluck]

I’ve killed a pile of animals with 168’s vlds and they are for sure my favorite bullet. They can take a bit to get to shoot but perform great. For whatever reason that bullet weight and design in that diameter absolutely dumps animals when you shoot em behind the shoulder. 175’s are just a good and easier to get to shoot. If I hadn’t already had load data for 168’s in multiple 7mm I would only shoot 175’s.

 

[88man]

hunting vlds are killers

 

[ImBillT]

If maximum accuracy is important, and testing for the best seating depth is a big ask, then the Classic Hunter or Elite Hunter are the answer. For in game performance, I’m not sure there is a difference between Classic Hunter, VLD and Elite Hunter.

What’s the difference?

Classic Hunter- They have a short ogive that is not sensitive to seating depth so that Berger can provide a bullet that is roughly the same length as a traditional bullet of the same weight. This helps with traditional magazine length and with traditional twist rates.

VLD Hunting- Tangent ogive for maximum BC at that ogive length. This gives an excellent balance of BC, weight, and length. It always has a higher BC than a Classic Hunter of the same weight. Tangent ogives are sensitive to seating depth and thus accuracy can be mediocre if seating depth is wrong for your rifle.

Elite Hunter- They have a “hybrid ogive” which is a tangent ogive from the bullet tip to where the bullet would contact the lands, then from this point to the bear surface the ogive transitions from tangent to secant. Secant proves are not as sensitive to seating depth, so near maximum accuracy is maintained regardless of where you seat the bullet. The combination of tangent and secant ogives results in a longer ogive and longer bullet for the same weight, so the BC is higher for weight than a VLD, but lower for length than a VLD. The result is that you may be able to stabilize a certain weight VLD with your twist, but not the Elite Hunter. Often there is quite a bit of overlap. Also, your COAL may increase with an Elite Hunter compared to a VLD if you want the same powder capacity. BUT, because Elite Hunters are not as sensitive to seating depth, if you’re willing to seat deeper and give up some powder capacity, then maybe the Elite Hunter will be better for you because you need to be shorter than your COAL that shoots well with a VLD.

A lot of the above is very rifle specific. Generally, if you have lots of room in your magazine, and don’t want to tune seating depth, then the Elite Hunter offers maximum BC and is trouble free. If you don’t mind tuning seating depth, and have magazine length, then the VLD offers lots of great weight options. If you will be restricted by twist rate or COAL, then choose the Classic Hunter.

Again, on game performance is quite similar across all types of Berger hunting bullets.

 

[typhoon916]

If maximum accuracy is important, and testing for the best seating depth is a big ask, then the Classic Hunter or Elite Hunter are the answer. For in game performance, I’m not sure there is a difference between Classic Hunter, VLD and Elite Hunter.

What’s the difference?

Classic Hunter- They have a short ogive that is not sensitive to seating depth so that Berger can provide a bullet that is roughly the same length as a traditional bullet of the same weight. This helps with traditional magazine length and with traditional twist rates.

VLD Hunting- Tangent ogive for maximum BC at that ogive length. This gives an excellent balance of BC, weight, and length. It always has a higher BC than a Classic Hunter of the same weight. Tangent ogives are sensitive to seating depth and thus accuracy can be mediocre if seating depth is wrong for your rifle.

Elite Hunter- They have a “hybrid ogive” which is a tangent ogive from the bullet tip to where the bullet would contact the lands, then from this point to the bear surface the ogive transitions from tangent to secant. Secant proves are not as sensitive to seating depth, so near maximum accuracy is maintained regardless of where you seat the bullet. The combination of tangent and secant ogives results in a longer ogive and longer bullet for the same weight, so the BC is higher for weight than a VLD, but lower for length than a VLD. The result is that you may be able to stabilize a certain weight VLD with your twist, but not the Elite Hunter. Often there is quite a bit of overlap. Also, your COAL may increase with an Elite Hunter compared to a VLD if you want the same powder capacity. BUT, because Elite Hunters are not as sensitive to seating depth, if you’re willing to seat deeper and give up some powder capacity, then maybe the Elite Hunter will be better for you because you need to be shorter than your COAL that shoots well with a VLD.

A lot of the above is very rifle specific. Generally, if you have lots of room in your magazine, and don’t want to tune seating depth, then the Elite Hunter offers maximum BC and is trouble free. If you don’t mind tuning seating depth, and have magazine length, then the VLD offers lots of great weight options. If you will be restricted by twist rate or COAL, then choose the Classic Hunter.

Again, on game performance is quite similar across all types of Berger hunting bullets.

Thanks sir

 

[88man]

If maximum accuracy is important, and testing for the best seating depth is a big ask, then the Classic Hunter or Elite Hunter are the answer. For in game performance, I’m not sure there is a difference between Classic Hunter, VLD and Elite Hunter.

What’s the difference?

Classic Hunter- They have a short ogive that is not sensitive to seating depth so that Berger can provide a bullet that is roughly the same length as a traditional bullet of the same weight. This helps with traditional magazine length and with traditional twist rates.

VLD Hunting- Tangent ogive for maximum BC at that ogive length. This gives an excellent balance of BC, weight, and length. It always has a higher BC than a Classic Hunter of the same weight. Tangent ogives are sensitive to seating depth and thus accuracy can be mediocre if seating depth is wrong for your rifle.

Elite Hunter- They have a “hybrid ogive” which is a tangent ogive from the bullet tip to where the bullet would contact the lands, then from this point to the bear surface the ogive transitions from tangent to secant. Secant proves are not as sensitive to seating depth, so near maximum accuracy is maintained regardless of where you seat the bullet. The combination of tangent and secant ogives results in a longer ogive and longer bullet for the same weight, so the BC is higher for weight than a VLD, but lower for length than a VLD. The result is that you may be able to stabilize a certain weight VLD with your twist, but not the Elite Hunter. Often there is quite a bit of overlap. Also, your COAL may increase with an Elite Hunter compared to a VLD if you want the same powder capacity. BUT, because Elite Hunters are not as sensitive to seating depth, if you’re willing to seat deeper and give up some powder capacity, then maybe the Elite Hunter will be better for you because you need to be shorter than your COAL that shoots well with a VLD.

A lot of the above is very rifle specific. Generally, if you have lots of room in your magazine, and don’t want to tune seating depth, then the Elite Hunter offers maximum BC and is trouble free. If you don’t mind tuning seating depth, and have magazine length, then the VLD offers lots of great weight options. If you will be restricted by twist rate or COAL, then choose the Classic Hunter.

Again, on game performance is quite similar across all types of Berger hunting bullets.

well said