Benevolent Landowners

[Nemont]

Per Big Shooter land owners are the only pure people in the country. Well a couple of landowners lost an access case in the Montana Supreme Court in regards to duck hunting on Mitchell Slough. It went to court they lost fair and square, so instead of liking how our country works they decide to bait the slough so nobody can duck hunt there. Now mind you this has been declared public, there is public access to the high water mark yet two landowners don't like the public hunting "their" place so the pile up bait on it.

http://www.ravallirepublic.com/articles/2008/11/18/news/news47.txt

So the equation works like this deeded land, landowner says "no access", Public land with public access landowners say screw the public we want to ruin it for everyone. If we can't have it our way we will block the public from a public area with public access because we landowners own everything we can see from our front windows. Gotta love it.

This will surely add some super heated fuel to the entire access issue. It is just to bad so many landowners in this state hate resident hunters. This type of landowner has no interest in partnering with anybody and they feel that what is yours is mine and what is mine is mine.

Nemont

 

[The Hedgehog]

I think there's a cow or two that need to pay dearly..

 

[shoots-straight]

Greenhorn this guy doesn't have cattle, he's Charles Swab, the big investment broker. Huey Lewis lives on down stream. These guys have more money than god. I grew up fishing that steam, alone with my dad and uncle. There needs to be a law to ban the baiting of water fowl.

 

[The Hedgehog]

Is it the Double Fork? If so, I've hunted there and will just shoot whatever I see moving.

 

[shoots-straight]

You got it! Fire a way.

 

[Big Shooter]

This will surely add some super heated fuel to the entire access issue. It is just to bad so many landowners in this state hate resident hunters.
Nemont

No Chit Sherlock.........why do you think this is? I am not saying that what this fella did is right, but you said it, they hate resident hunters. I could give you example after example of what has happened the last two weeks and maybe.........just maybe you would figure it out.

 

[shoots-straight]

I believe the division is broad Shooter. Not only do landowners hate resident hunters, resident hunters hate some landowners. Sorry, it's not a one way street.

 

[Dinkshooter]

I could give you example after example of what has happened the last two weeks and maybe.........just maybe you would figure it out.

Oh my god here we go again with the lies.

Greenhorn I am coming up and bring lots of freaking ammo. Call the rendering company Little Squirter.

 

[Nemont]

No Chit Sherlock.........why do you think this is? I am not saying that what this fella did is right, but you said it, they hate resident hunters. I could give you example after example of what has happened the last two weeks and maybe.........just maybe you would figure it out.

Funny I just got permission for the rest Friday, Saturday and Sunday on some primo private lands from a long time friend of the family. My kid will get to fill out the rest of his tags and I might finally pull the trigger on a deer but who knows.

I think there are many valid reason for landowners to be frustrated at times. There are many idiot hunters out there, I put of pics of how some of them treated the deer they killed. The deal is that there are also idiot landowners who paint with the very same broad brush you use.

Let us know how bad it was the last two weeks. What I don't understand is why you cannot purchase orange paint and put up some of those no tresspassing signs they sell at the dollar store. It works for everyone around here, then when somebody tresspasses you just call the fish cops or the sheriff and they take care of the issue for you.


So your strategy is like Huey's, ruin even the public spots and then bitch and moan that these hunters are hunting. Don't be surprised then when those guaranteed tags and their resultant income dries up some, remember it is a round world what goes around comes around and when ever you piss on somebody they almost always piss on you back.


Nemont

P.S. You sure aren't too big on answering any questions or explain why residents should feel what is happening is a good deal for them. I am curious why you never have once responded to questions that deal with what is right and what is wrong?

 

[elk_hunter]

Regardless of the resident/non-resident status, it sure is frustrating to be stuck in a position where I can go ask a rancher to hunt deer or elk on his property (especially if they are inhaling hay) and have the rancher say no. Whether that be because of outfitter leasing rights already in place or because the rancher has had bad experiences with previous hunters. Very, very frustrating considering I'm not one of the bad apples. I recall hunting many years ago in eastern Oregon when I lived up there and enjoyed talking to ranchers and hunting their property and helping them out -- that included varmints as well as big game in addition to helping with other things like moving irrigation pipes or mending fences. Hell, I'd love to volunteer at ranches for the opportunity to hunt those places. I know there are some bad apples that have soured tastes but I wish there was a way to get a chance and prove trustworthiness.

 

[montanadogs]

Here we go around the mulberry bush..........All of this talk reminds me of when I drew my elk tag for the Highwoods a few years back. I had a nice spot picked out with plenty of elk and some nice bulls. Next thing I know instead of seeing elk, deer, etc on my game cam I see horses with riders. When I went in to get the cam, I kid you not, I saw people on horses pushing the elk like they were cattle. I followed to see what was going on. They pushed them right threw a gate with a sign that said no trespassing. They were on public land then, poof, on privet. I guess every couple of days they would go back into the mtns and push them back on to privet. Someone got mad, 2 weeks later you started seeing cattle in the highwoods. Someone had cut and removed 4 miles of fencing on that ranch. The rest of the season was great. i shot my elk about 4 days after the incident. Very interesting.......Big Shooter how long you been in the state of Montana for?

 

[JoseCuervo]

I am going to have to defend Chuck on this one. When I look back at all the breakfasts, lunches, and dinners Chuck bought me when I used to work for him, I know he is always willing to step up and do the right thing. And for him to want to provide food and nourishment to our migrating feathered friends he should be commended.

I doubt him and Huey are spoiling this to keep the hunting area for themselves, but, instead, they are trying to protect their personal property rights from the people who shot 20% of Big Shooter's herd with 2 bullets.

Chuck has definitely made the world a better place with his philanthropy, he gets a pass in my book.

 

[DRAFTSTUD]

So, He has always fed things that lay Eggs? LOL John

 

[Nemont]

http://www.missoulian.com/news/local/article_032a9d84-d97e-11de-a5a9-001cc4c002e0.html

 

[mdhunter]

Guys,

Over here in Maryland we are unfortunately way ahead of you when it comes to denying access. I don't have any special words of wisdom except support the federal and state government when acquiring land. That, and make sure they keep it open. Finding property to hunt here is a chore and unfortunately reduces the number of hunters as many "hang it up" in frustration. It really sucks however the world is not getting any bigger.

 

[sweetnectar]

Nemont, Perhaps you should be greatful for what you do have...especially this time of year. Your life will be happier if you do.
As far as landowner and hunter conflicts...We should understand that when we ask a landowner for permission, and he says no, if your feelings get hurt then there is something we aren't understanding. I would be intersting to know the whole story in this case.

 

[Nemont]

Nemont, Perhaps you should be greatful for what you do have...especially this time of year. Your life will be happier if you do.
As far as landowner and hunter conflicts...We should understand that when we ask a landowner for permission, and he says no, if your feelings get hurt then there is something we aren't understanding. I would be intersting to know the whole story in this case.

FYI, I am a very happy guy, blessed with a great family. Got tons of friends many of who are ranchers and farmers. I get to hunt over 50 days a year and respect landowner and support property rights. I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with a landowner telling me no, they own it, they get to decide who comes and goes, just like the front door of my house. This isn't about that.

This deal is a couple of landowners who hate the way our laws work and want to deny public hunting access to a court decreed public waterway.

The entire story on this may never be told but here is what the truth is according to the courts. The landowners on this piece of land lost in the Montana Supreme Court. They wanted exclusive private access to do as they pleased with Mitchell Slough. Last season guys figured out that there was legal public access to the slough and hunted it. Huey needed a new drug because he thought his deed included the public access part of the slough, since he lost his case he decided nobody was going to hunt it so he put up feeders on his property. The law says that if waterfowl are attract to feeding the area is considered baited and unhuntable.

Huey's story of it being unsafe to hunt ducks there is laughable because he has a Taj Mahal duck blind right on the slough. It is just a fact.

So before you get preachy with me about what I should do and need to be thankful for ask yourself how much public access you are willing to give up? Where are you willing to draw the line, for these guys the Supreme Court of Montana is not enough for them. I hunt private and public lands but lot's of hunters are not so lucky.

Happy Thanksgiving

Nemont

 

[JoseCuervo]

...... so he put up feeders on his property


Happy Thanksgiving

Nemont

Why would you want to deny a landowner the right to feed birds in their backyard?

I would guess more people feed birds than hunt...

Bird feeding, and its positive effects, haven't gone unnoticed. The activity provides easy pickings and nourishment to a host of avian species in winter and spring, times when many seasonal wildlife foods have been consumed or buried beneath the snow. But bird-feeding is more than just a wintertime activity. More and more people are feeding birds year-round. Some enjoy it as much as or more than watching television.

Bird feeding is not only popular, it’s also big business. Americans spent in excess of $2 billion annually setting the table for and feeding birds. That’ll buy close to 5,000 tons of sunflower seed.

Bird feeding is a popular activity almost everywhere. About 3.6 million Pennsylvanians – close to a third of the state's population – annually take part in bird feeding, according to a recent federal survey. Nationally, more than 65 million people feed birds. No other wildlife-associated activity attracts more attention or participation.

 

[sweetnectar]

You sure sound bitter and not very thankful to me...perhaps justifiably so and especially in this case. Seems how there is legal access it would be fun to frequent the area for some fishing or "bird watching" when Huey is out there.

 

[noharleyyet]

Nemont bitter? Nah, you are mistaking intellectual intensity for bellicosity. He's just used to arguinmg with the piss poseurs on MM.