Be prepare before hire a Guide/Outfitter!

[Kiwi]

I hired horses in Oct to hunt WY. All went pretty well but my horse decided to lay down a couple of times.

I’m only 165 lbs and we didn’t ride them too hard. Guess horses do what horses do, and it’s just part of the deal. I don’t plan to hire horse again but my son does, he had a great time!

 

[Sheltowee]

Finn. Horse.

 

[Khunter]

Well! all those particulars are true about all the sights and things to see.
But only if your able to look and see them.
I sat in camp 9 days told the kid at 7 days I needed to get out. 2 days later she shows up.
I WAS IN NO SHAPE TO GIVE A SHIT WHAT AND HOW BEAUTIFULL THE COUNTRY WAS.
Some of you who can't seem to read between the lines don't understand I was in no fin shape to do a damn thing. Take it for what its worth!

You thought I was suggesting you shoulda been sightseeing and collecting photos of wildflowers? No.

What I said was YOU hired a sightseeing outfit adept and showing off pretty landscapes to tourists while expecting/demanding that outfit automagically also be “the best hunting outfitter” despite being told they were clueless about elk hunting. That was beyond foolish on your part and doomed your son’s hunt. Next time he may know better than to put you in control of such a core element of hunt planning.

She proved herself true to her sightseeing tour strengths by loading up with sightseeing tourists on YOUR trip in. She coulda had extra horses in the pack string to rotate you 240 pounders on and off of so the horses could avoid overuse had she not brought tourists.

You drug a sightseeing tour guide out of retirement. You did not drag “the best hunting outfitter” out of retirement. That is on you alone. There are hunting outfitters for that unit you could have engaged.

Why not just own that YOU were at fault for piss poor judgment?

 

[hunter72]

Well that’s good. I’m glad you have a positive self image. At this point I’m really feeling sorry for the folks who have to deal with you.

I think you need to follow your own advice and do a better job vetting your service providers. In your own little temper tantrum rant to made it pretty clear you didn’t fully investigate who you hired. Most people would calmly say “Here’s a mistake I made, and here is what I could have done better and I hope I save someone else the embarrassment and lost time and money. “

Instead you blame everyone but yourself and lash out at people who point that out.

Enjoy stewing in your own juices of anger and resentment. I’ll just sit here and watch you melt down.

LOL one of a kind you are. lol

 

[hunter72]

Yeah I'm on her side, you're still pushing the limit. The first dudes I ever guided were a father and son, 6'5, 295 and 6'3, 240, they were on in-shape horses, and those critters were absolutely gassed after carrying those boys around for days. In fact the big guy, only was able to hunt 3 out of 5 days and his horse, which was a huge draft cross, decided to lay down at the last river crossing too. What a sh*t show learning experience that was for me...

Well Luke the dog it would have been nice for the outfitter to tell us we were too heavy for those horses. But like you said your horses were ready for that trip and obviously you knew their weight as stated.
They have been on many, many rides in the wilderness over the yrs of outfitting.
Those horses from her mouth where they were not ready for that long ride and with the weight.
That was not our issue but hers. When asked out weight if she had done so and declined i would of went on looking for a ride in. possibly a different location, not as far, who knows.
But possibly prevention of what happened I don't know.
Remembering back in 23 she took in two hunters 13 miles that I spoke with up in weight they made it without an issue. But those horses were ready for the trip.
After 2023 when she gave up outfitting her horses were used for trail riding and short 1 mile horse rides. That she told us.
Those horses were not ready for a 14+ Mile all day ride in with a 20–30-minute 1 break. They just were not ready at all.
I have a Bro and sister in-law who are wranglers in easter OR my bro is 6'4" 260 and rides all day gathering cows and said it was a shit show, and she was wrong, and she knew it. To use that excuse.

 

[TheJason]

How much did you pay the outfitter?

 

[Straight Arrow]

Well Luke the dog it would have been nice for the outfitter to tell us we were too heavy for those horses. But like you said your horses were ready for that trip and obviously you knew their weight as stated.
They have been on many, many rides in the wilderness over the yrs of outfitting.
Those horses from her mouth where they were not ready for that long ride and with the weight.
That was not our issue but hers. When asked out weight if she had done so and declined i would of went on looking for a ride in. possibly a different location, not as far, who knows.
But possibly prevention of what happened I don't know.
Remembering back in 23 she took in two hunters 13 miles that I spoke with up in weight they made it without an issue. But those horses were ready for the trip.
After 2023 when she gave up outfitting her horses were used for trail riding and short 1 mile horse rides. That she told us.
Those horses were not ready for a 14+ Mile all day ride in with a 20–30-minute 1 break. They just were not ready at all.
I have a Bro and sister in-law who are wranglers in easter OR my bro is 6'4" 260 and rides all day gathering cows and said it was a shit show, and she was wrong, and she knew it. To use that excuse.

What a poorly written terrible story, with continuous responsive rambling, an embarassment to HT. Surely you have stories of better hunts.

 

[hunter72]

for just the drop $800.00 in/out 30 gal of water all our gear and us.
The TRIP! It was not about the Money at all.
Just saying you cannot find out enough about an outfitter.
Do not pay until your brought out. Possibly, a small down for guarantee.

 

[TheJason]

Do not pay until your brought out. Possibly, a small down for guarantee.

Let us know how many outfitters accept these terms.

for just the drop $800.00 in/out 30 gal of water all our gear and us.

Pretty cheap. Sometimes you get what you pay for.

I wouldn’t be happy with the outcome but I doubt I would have chosen the route you did either.

 

[Carnage2011]

If I found someone willing to take me into that unit with horses and haul all my stuff as well as 30gallons of water for $800, I'd be very skeptical.

 

[Dave N]

I'll change my previous tightass comment to cheapass. I can see trying to get a deal but this story takes the cake!

 

[utah400elk]

I am sorry your son’s hunt didn’t go well. I am trying to figure out your story. Did you book the outfitter in Jauuuary or April?

 

[cgasner1]

Man I got @Big Fin replying to me while im
Trying to post memes what a snow day

 

[Irrelevant]

@Hunting Wife does this count?

 

[Hem]

@Hunting Wife does this count?

Greenhorn needs to step up his involvement....some sort of OnX pin isn't a meme, right?

 

[Hem]

I'm still struggling with the comment " not an ounce of fat".

 

[Dsnow9]

I'm still struggling with the comment " not an ounce of fat".

Yeah I’m 6’3”, 175, a professional athlete and I have at least an ounce or two…

 

[Southern Elk]

I'm still struggling with the comment " not an ounce of fat".

Exactly what I’ve been wondering about. I’m 6’2” and about 225. I have many ounces of fat on me. I’m wondering how tall these dudes are to be 240 without an ounce of fat?

 

[MTGomer]

I own a land surveying company. I was recently contacted by to do a commercial ALTA on a retirement home with a complicated boundary, many improvements and a handful of additional requests.
It needed to be done in 21 days

I quoted $15k
The other surveyor in town that doesn’t suck was the same price but stated he’d need 5 weeks.


The lender hired this half retired guy that can’t survey his way around a square lot, to do it for $5400 after offering it to me for that price
And me declining.
It’s impossible to do what was asked for, for $5400. I told the lender this and wished him good luck

2 months later, they had prepaid the $5400, and still didn’t have their deliverable.

They called back


Sometimes cheap isn’t cheap

 

[Hem]

Exactly what I’ve been wondering about. I’m 6’2” and about 225. I have many ounces of fat on me. I’m wondering how tall these dudes are to be 240 without an ounce of fat?

In my heyday I was 7% body fat...5'11-170lb. Carried out a rear quarter, front quarter, and full bull elk green hide....4 miles, down 3k.
35 years later, the toll is evident, an inch shorter and 176lb. Muscle mass decreases. THAT is the reality.