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At the end of the day I think physically showing up is going to be more an more important.
Artificial Intelligence and Public Comment
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At the end of the day I think physically showing up is going to be more an more important.
RobertD
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This is what I came to realize after getting over the initial shock of being asked about ChatGPT in my interview the other day.
There's probably/possibly some essentially human element in communication that AI will not be able to replace or at least not for a while. But not counting on it...
And like others have pointed out, there are still major ethical concerns regarding the use of AI generated language being passed off as human.
My biggest concern though is that it's sometimes hard to see the big picture end goal of devs designing this stuff. Sort of tired of the assumption that technological progress is always our friend/to our benefit as a species. Big questions to ponder.
Southern Elk
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At least he tried.
BigHornRam
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I bet if I snagged some of your DNA and ran it through Ancestory.com, wllm, Spock would be somewhere in your family tree.
Bambistew
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This is nuts. It takes form letters to a whole new level. I have no doubt this is being used for public comment letters. Thanks for sharing this, scary stuff.
noharleyyet
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Maybe buy him dinner first....I bet if I snagged some of your DNA and ran it through Ancestory.com, wllm, Spock would be somewhere in your family tree.
Bambistew
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What to see something totally phucked up? Think there is an agenda already built in?
After chatting with a robot for 5 min.
After chatting with a robot for 5 min.
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BigHornRam
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Yeah, I could do that.....before cutting one of his ears off.
I don’t think that would be difficult for an algorithm to predict, simply with browser history data on a macro level.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if I see an add shortly for one of those things you’ve listed solely by replying to your post using those words.
I agree with your premise that human nuance on an individual basis is hard to predict, but it isn’t so hard to predict behaviors of a population- we are kind of a herd animal.
Nameless Range
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100%
There are essays upon essays about how the system is already adopting viewpoints, and or changing them due to constraints placed upon it by Those Who Run It.
Marginal Revolution is a good blog, that often has very good takes and links on ChatGPT. https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2022/12/what-are-the-politics-of-chatgpt.html
RobertD
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Forgot about that part. 100% the devs have a degree of control over what kind of speech it can generate.
RobertD
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Another good blog/writer who covers a lot of this stuff is Mike Solana at https://www.piratewires.com/p/chaos-a-future-history-of-artificial
Irrelevant
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Man, I feel you're 1. being too optimistic and 2. you are ignoring history.
How many times have humans said it can't happen or we can't do it and been right?
The idea of trying to learn the "vagaries" of human thought may feel difficult now. But 40 years ago the idea that someone could us a computer to generate the comments in Nameless's OP in just a sec would have been equally "never".
What about asking someone in 1865 about walking on the Moon?
Whoever mentioned hubris, couldn't be more spot on.
noharleyyet
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No different from any executive 'spokesperson'.
SAJ-99
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What if the CEO didn't ask the question? You get hired and then see someone else in the dept load in all their prose so it can learn style and then asks the chatbot to write a new paper. For what would take a person 3-4days, it takes 8 min to complete and 88 min for him to polish. At the end of the year, he has 10x the productivity of you and gets a huge raise.
This will eventually become like a calculator. When I was young, calculators were banned from math class because they wanted you to learn how the operations worked and demonstrate the ability to do them. Now calculators are commonplace for a test, if not required. The average IQ is still 100 but the average person knows more today than 100yrs ago. We simply raise the bar. We plug in "i before e except after c" and all those other rules. Maybe it would eliminate passive writing which would push the world to a who new level. Dare to dream.
Agree, but why wouldn't both sides of an issue do it. Hell, I encourage it. You already pointed out the end result - written comments will be meaningless. We could also conclude there will be so many that they won't be able to read them all, assume they ever did.
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But see what it's doing now is just doing key word searches and copy pasting within the confines of a grammar program. It's just aggregating.
Anything in that category sure... but I guess I'm saying can it do art.
Not replication, sure it can copy Picasso, but can it be Picasso. I don't know... (like invent cubism not his derivative stuff)
Feels like getting into the late season TNG episodes with Data and his emotion chip.
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SAJ-99
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I got this. One of the things I have found is if it denies you, you can ask the question in a different way.
Nameless Range
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I’m fascinated by the subject, so I’m guilty of violating my own desires of sticking with the OP, but a lot of folks will tell you that in 10 years 10 of the top 10 songs in the nation at any given moment will be created by AI. In fact, portions of many already are
There’s some pretty amazing AI music generators coming out that basically know what’s catchy to the human ear.
Then there’s AI created art.
And then there’s systems out there that allow you to just type in a description of a picture, no matter how weird, and it outputs the art. Just nuts
Which AI Creates the Best (and Most Terrifying) Art?
The internet is awash in artificial intelligence software like Dall-E and Midjourney that generate professional-looking imagery based on text prompts. We provided some twisted requests to 5 of them to see which one is the best artist.
SAJ-99
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I would argue most of us can't tell the difference. Therein lies the problem.
RobertD
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I mean I know how competition works. And technically I'm in charge of the dept so it will ultimately be up to me whether it is used or not and how much. (I told him I'll set up some experiments and run my writing against ChatGPT and see how each performs and we'll go from there.)What if the CEO didn't ask the question? You get hired and then see someone else in the dept load in all their prose so it can learn style and then asks the chatbot to write a new paper. For what would take a person 3-4days, it takes 8 min to complete and 88 min for him to polish. At the end of the year, he has 10x the productivity of you and gets a huge raise.
This will eventually become like a calculator. When I was young, calculators were banned from math class because they wanted you to learn how the operations worked and demonstrate the ability to do them. Now calculators are commonplace for a test, if not required. The average IQ is still 100 but the average person knows more today than 100yrs ago. We simply raise the bar. We plug in "i before e except after c" and all those other rules. Maybe it would eliminate passive writing which would push the world to a who new level. Dare to dream.
My personal hangups center less on concerns for my own career viability, though I do have those concerns. Bigger concern is that I can't shake the feeling that asking computers to create prose, poetry, visual art and music is wrong and dark in some way that's hard to articulate.
TL;DR: I understand your argument in a utilitarian sense but I'm not sure that it tells the entire story. Hope my tone didn't come across as too snarky, btw.
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