American prairie. What's the issue?

[Southern Elk]

I have never understood why people get mad about folks selling land that they will never be allowed to set foot on to folks who allow public access.

 

[TheTone]

If rancher a sells out and retires why isn’t rancher b happy that he now has less market competition thus making his cows more valuable?

 

[cedahm]

If rancher a sells out and retires why isn’t rancher b happy that he now has less market competition thus making his cows more valuable?

mostly this from post 24

locals regardless of locale tend to think different is bad just because it is different.

 

[Dakotakid]

If rancher a sells out and retires why isn’t rancher b happy that he now has less market competition thus making his cows more valuable?

Rather cattle prices are controlled by forces wholly independent of the free market including any influence of a neighbors supply side. Between the futures markets, the feedlot controls and the processors collusion, supply side is many variables down the list.

 

[SwaggyD]

I have never understood why people get mad about folks selling land that they will never be allowed to set foot on to folks who allow public access.

I was just trying to explain to the OP why people may view it as a bad thing. In the the eyes of the locals, they are trying to end their way of life for several generations. Misspoke a few times earlier.

 

[TheTone]

Rather cattle prices are controlled by forces wholly independent of the free market including any influence of a neighbors supply side. Between the futures markets, the feedlot controls and the processors collusion, supply side is many variables down the list.

Guess I’ll keep happily buying a little bit of beef each year from a local couple that not only has a herd of their own but also runs a commercial butcher shop

 

[Southern Elk]

I was just trying to explain to the OP why people may view it as a bad thing. In the the eyes of the locals, they are trying to end their way of life for several generations. Misspoke a few times earlier.

My comment wasn’t aimed at you. I was just talking in general.

 

[BenInMT]

The irony of the less government free market economy crowd getting their panties in a knot over the free market in action.

 

[SwaggyD]

My comment wasn’t aimed at you. I was just talking in general.

They do allow very limited access. I know a guy that killed a nice bull on BR in 2020. Also saw another guy kill a little 6 on BR. The also have some BM.

 

[SwaggyD]

The irony of the less government free market economy crowd getting their panties in a knot over the free market in action.

Govern me harder, baby!!

 

[Gerald Martin]

Rather cattle prices are controlled by forces wholly independent of the free market including any influence of a neighbors supply side. Between the futures markets, the feedlot controls and the processors collusion, supply side is many variables down the list.

Correct. This is the big squeeze on producers and is compounded by environmental factors such as the ongoing drought.

Add elk into the mix and it makes already stressed producers that much more sensitive to financial impacts caused by wildlife.

It is my opinion (I could be wrong) that if beef producers would be able to capture a larger portion of that $9-20 per lb. of retail beef it would greatly alleviate some of the stress caused by deer and elk because their bottom line would have a bit more cushion.

Maybe all Montana resident hunters should form a coalition to buy local beef? I think that could a win, win.

 

[duckhunt]

I have not ever done research on the biology of native animals. I'm really curious why people have such a problem with native animals. Wolves and bison are the first 2 that are controversial. Not trying to argue any point I'm just curious.

 

[mtmuley]

They do allow very limited access. I know a guy that killed a nice bull on BR in 2020. Also saw another guy kill a little 6 on BR. The also have some BM.

Yep. Limited. mtmuley

 

[SwaggyD]

Yep. Limited. mtmuley

But it is access. More than Carlson allowed when he owned BR.

 

[mtmuley]

But it is access. More than Carlson allowed when he owned BR.

Agreed. But access is given to some, and not others. FACT. mtmuley

 

[SwaggyD]

Agreed. But access is given to few, and not most others. FACT. mtmuley

FIFY

 

[Southern Elk]

There are types of access other than hunting. People can go enjoy APR land that they never could when it was a private ranch.

 

[mtmuley]

There are types of access other than hunting. People can go enjoy APR land that they never could when it was a private ranch.

And most of us here, on a hunting site will probably not use the property for bird watching. Just saying. mtmuley

 

[Gerald Martin]

I have not ever done research on the biology of native animals. I'm really curious why people have such a problem with native animals. Wolves and bison are the first 2 that are controversial. Not trying to argue any point I'm just curious.

Wolves eat livestock at times. Bison eat grass that cattle could eat, don’t respect marginal fences and can be carriers of brucellosis.

Both are seen as a threat to profitable livestock production and there seems to be no economic benefit to having them on the landscape.

Intrinsic value of wildlife on the land doesn’t pay the fees bills or overhead costs so cutting out competition is usually a focused step in keeping a bottom line from going into the red.

At the end of the day most folks are way more tolerant of something that costs them money when it can also be a source of revenue.

 

[Southern Elk]

And most of us here, on a hunting site will probably not use the property for bird watching. Just saying. mtmuley

Do you think any of us enjoy fishing, floating the Missouri, hiking, or mountain biking? Just a few of the ways people enjoy the APR.