ImBillT
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And stop being sold, so once they’re gone everything has become random.Preference points just become bonus points.
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And stop being sold, so once they’re gone everything has become random.Preference points just become bonus points.
You could say that already about private land tags. If you TRULY want to do it, just go buy a NM or UT tag.Dude, this is just the same stuff regurgitated over and over. It's like the million "what's the best caliber" threads.
Here's a solution: Triple tag fees across the board. Every state. Every tag. There you go. Just fixed it. The guys who TRULY want to do it will make it happen.
Or guide tags where instead of paying a trespass fee, a hunter has to pay the licensed outfitter?You could say that already about private land tags. If you TRULY want to do it, just go buy a NM or UT tag.
I prefer not to price people out of a public resource. Leave the prices 5X-10X what a resident pays.
In your idea NR with points would now get only 10% of 10% NR allocation of the tags which is 1% ... So the NRs who built points for 30 years now compete with each other for 1% of a state's tags while the rest go random. Sounds fair.Too complicated.
Just eliminate the purchase of any new points and make 50%-90% of the tags random. If you don’t apply, you lose your points. In other words, to maintain your points, you must attempt to draw a tag. The same percentage of people get tags every year regardless of point scheme, but if you stop selling points, then current point holders lose no advantage they do not currently have, but eventually new entrants will be at no disadvantage compared to anyone else.
Are you missing something? One of is. I was thinking that last time I checked it would take over 120yrs to get each current point holder in UT one elk tag. How did you come to 6.7?
Finally a solution to these threads?In your idea NR with points would now get only 10% of 10% NR allocation of the tags which is 1% ... So the NRs who built points for 30 years now compete with each other for 1% of a state's tags while the rest go random. Sounds fair.
Tag allocation doesn't change in the idea I proposed.In your idea NR with points would now get only 10% of 10% NR allocation of the tags which is 1% ... So the NRs who built points for 30 years now compete with each other for 1% of a state's tags while the rest go random. Sounds fair.
Ok guys here’s the actual solution, you want a tag you go in person to the DOW and play Russian roulette. 5 rounds loaded guy who doesn’t die gets a tag.I want something simple. Like
Well that’s one way to get rid of the high point holdersOk guys here’s actual solution, you want a tag you go in person to the DOW and play Russian roulette. 5 rounds loaded guy who doesn’t die gets a tag.
I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to ImBillT who I quoted in my response. His idea was to keep points for point holders but do away with anyone getting new points. He would give up to 90% of tags randomly, however, but to appease NR guys with max points or alot of points he would graciously allow them a whopping 1% of total state tags to be drawn based on points (10% of the 10%).Tag allocation doesn't change in the idea I proposed.
So your saying I have a chance? Sign me up!Ok guys here’s the actual solution, you want a tag you go in person to the DOW and play Russian roulette. 5 rounds loaded guy who doesn’t die gets a tag.
This ^^^^ It's gets so fricken old.It's like the million "what's the best caliber" threads.
Hey I need something to sit back and laugh at I just paid $1312 to apply in montana lolBetween this crap and the "Destroy All Non Residents" thread by @BenInMT thread we are in some desperate need of some draw results. Can we get some successfuls/unsuccessfuls and "I don't want your honey holes but would take a peek at them if you don't mind and will never log back in or respond" threads coming again please? Looking at you AZ...
Let’s ditch their preference all the way. Convert them to bonus points, sell no new points, and if someone doesn’t apply for a year they loose their points. No place holder. Put yourself to the hazard of drawing or loose your points. If you draw, and cancel tough luck.I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to ImBillT who I quoted in my response. His idea was to keep points for point holders but do away with anyone getting new points. He would give up to 90% of tags randomly, however, but to appease NR guys with max points or alot of points he would graciously allow them a whopping 1% of total state tags to be drawn based on points (10% of the 10%).
That's a silly idea. That's what I responded to.
I think you missed my point. My point was simply that I do not subscribe to the idea that we should simply raise the price of tags enough to price out a significant portion of applicants thus improving draw odds. I don’t think that is the right way to distribute a public resource.Or guide tags where instead of paying a trespass fee, a hunter has to pay the licensed outfitter?
Again, states get to do what they want. Today, several don't get any revenue from me because there's no meaningful path to use them.
As my kids, seven of them aged 12 to 3, transition into becoming hunters (at least those who wish to do so), the state misses revenue for them too.
Whether we like it or not, the trustees of the wildlife trust have a duty to the beneficiaries, the residents. The only benefit us non-residents really have to offer is revenue.
Personally, I'd buy more points if there was a long term but meaningful path to use them.
That’s worth a laugh.Hey I need something to sit back and laugh at I just paid $1312 to apply in montana lol
That and the fact that you don't have to worry about whether the random draw is really a random draw.I would agree with most of your post, but I for one don't think point systems suck. I love the fact that I can reasonably predict what tags I get. I will gladly pay for points, and even accumulate more than I need, in order to plan my hunting calendar.