Hangar18
New member
Are you sure of your source Moosie? To me that looks like the lyrics to a new song by Yoko Ono.
54% Say War in Iraq was not Worth It....
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Moosie
Grand poopa
It's a cut/pstes from a reputable website...
Like most of the other posts here ,
Like most of the other posts here ,
Nemont
Well-known member
I love it when people expect the president to "fix" healthcare.
I work with some very large Association Health Plans who have formed self insured co-ops to try and reign in out of control health insurance costs. This does reduce some costs but it does nothing to the cost of claims. The reason rates are high is because the cost of claims is high, it is that simple. You can argue that the insurance companies are raping the rate payers but you need to look at their profit margins. If it was easy money to underwrite health insurance and make a profit why are there fewer companies doing it then there were even two years ago?
Every time we get "help" from Washington in the form of new regulations and rules ie. The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) we get new mandates and requirements that cost a fortune. Both candidates want to address the availabliltiy of health care but not the cost of healthcare. If you force insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health or pre-existing conditions the rates must rise to pay for the claims those people will bring into the system.
I am not all pro insurance companies becuase I get Pi@@ed off and frustrated with them every day of I come into work but if it were so easy to just make care affordable some company would have done it by now and taken a huge piece of market over. That has not happened.
There is no way either one of the candidates will do anything to reduce the costs of health care and anyone who believes they will is putting their head in the sand. END OF RANT
Now was the war necessary depends upon which point in time you look at it from. It appears now that there were not any WMD's in Iraq but we did not know that pre invasion.
Nemont
I work in health insurance and health care financing and NOBODY HAS A SOLUTION ESPECIALLY ANY POLITICIAN.
I work with some very large Association Health Plans who have formed self insured co-ops to try and reign in out of control health insurance costs. This does reduce some costs but it does nothing to the cost of claims. The reason rates are high is because the cost of claims is high, it is that simple. You can argue that the insurance companies are raping the rate payers but you need to look at their profit margins. If it was easy money to underwrite health insurance and make a profit why are there fewer companies doing it then there were even two years ago?
Every time we get "help" from Washington in the form of new regulations and rules ie. The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) we get new mandates and requirements that cost a fortune. Both candidates want to address the availabliltiy of health care but not the cost of healthcare. If you force insurance companies to accept everyone regardless of their health or pre-existing conditions the rates must rise to pay for the claims those people will bring into the system.
I am not all pro insurance companies becuase I get Pi@@ed off and frustrated with them every day of I come into work but if it were so easy to just make care affordable some company would have done it by now and taken a huge piece of market over. That has not happened.
There is no way either one of the candidates will do anything to reduce the costs of health care and anyone who believes they will is putting their head in the sand. END OF RANT
Now was the war necessary depends upon which point in time you look at it from. It appears now that there were not any WMD's in Iraq but we did not know that pre invasion.
Nemont
Moosie
Grand poopa
Nemomt.. .Was the war worth it or not ?
Nemont
Well-known member
I vote
yeh or yeah or yes or whatever it is to mean that it was worth it and will continue to worth it in the future.
Nemont
yeh or yeah or yes or whatever it is to mean that it was worth it and will continue to worth it in the future.
Nemont
JoseCuervo
New member
Nemont,
Right now, our counties are being burdened with picking up health care of the uninsured. Which ends up in being a Tax on me, as I am the one who funds the County.
If I am going to pay for other people's health care, then shouldn't we all acknowledge it up front?
Right now, our counties are being burdened with picking up health care of the uninsured. Which ends up in being a Tax on me, as I am the one who funds the County.
If I am going to pay for other people's health care, then shouldn't we all acknowledge it up front?
Hangar18
New member
YAH 3
NEY 1
25% against.
NEY 1
25% against.
2fastnaz
New member
Yah 4
Ney 1
you do the math
Ney 1
you do the math
Moosie
Grand poopa
Only 20% .... Even Further from the 54%.
Moosie
Grand poopa
Are you saying they poll better people then who post here ?
If Bush Wins and Kerry is ahead in the polls, what does that say for the polls ?
Nemont
Well-known member
You may want to go back and check on exactly who the county is paying for. It is not paying for all the uninsured. It is paying for those eligible for medicaid. Medicaid does not cover a huge number of uninsured because they are neither the very young, the elderly nor indigent. The vast majority of medicaid dollars are federal dollars, so we are all helping you out. You are being taxed way higher for the medicare that goes to snowbirds playing golf in January in Palm Springs.
Nemont
Delw
Member
WOW now we are talking health care.
you know health care wouldnt be so high if
Lawyers didnt file frivious lawsuit or sue for outlandish amounts.
doctors were honest
Illegal's didnt over burden our system,
Delw
you know health care wouldnt be so high if
Lawyers didnt file frivious lawsuit or sue for outlandish amounts.
doctors were honest
Illegal's didnt over burden our system,
Delw
Nemont
Well-known member
Del,
EG asked earlier who would be better with Health Care.
It will sound like heresy to most to hear an insurance guy say this but: The attorney's provide a very real and necessary service for those injured in malpractice. Are there abuses, of course but if you have ever needed an attorney
after a malpractice issue.
Nemont
EG asked earlier who would be better with Health Care.
It will sound like heresy to most to hear an insurance guy say this but: The attorney's provide a very real and necessary service for those injured in malpractice. Are there abuses, of course but if you have ever needed an attorney
after a malpractice issue.
Nemont
Nut
New member
Yes 5
No 2
Why?
Because I can vote however I want to
No 2
Why?
Because I can vote however I want to
guppie9
New member
Nut...I've never heard of you saying "no" to anything. Maybe you're saying that so someone will get mad and hit you. That way you would get touched by someone. And, as we all know, Nut doesn't care what kind of touch it is, as long as he is getting touched.
BTW...I vote no.
Yes - 5
No - 3
Thats 62.5% for and 37.5% against
BTW...I vote no.
Yes - 5
No - 3
Thats 62.5% for and 37.5% against
Bambistew
Well-known member
War good...
3 no 33.3%
6 yes 67.7%
Good post Nemont!
With all the money gunner pays in taxes why do the rest of us have to shell out any at all? How can gunner as a democrap complain about taxes, isn't that the corner stone of the donkey platform? Raise taxes to pay for programs that don't work, but make you feel good because you're doing something!
I will agree that neither candidate will do jack for the healthcare system. I personally like that Kerry it saying that he's going to make the healthcare plan that HE and the other senators have, made available to all Americans... Isn't it all ready? Wouldn't we just have to pay more?
Here in the people's republic of MD, there is a huge shortage of Obstitricians (sp) like 30% of what is needed. They can't afford to practice because they would spend about 8-9 months just paying off thier malpractice insurance. I think that the doctors should be held accountable but to what extent? $1m for a dead baby or $50m? Does more money justify the death? How do you put a price on life? Good ol' lawyers seem to think they'er justified in putting that number out there and getting it... Our governor is trying to push a bill through to put some sort of a "cap" on the lawsuits. Chit happens thats life! I don't see any quick fix for the health care problem anytime in the near future... especially in the next four years.
Personally, if you think that either one of these candidates is going to change America in the next four years back to what we had pre 9-11, you should see the ocean front property I got for sale in West Virginia... It has a sweet view and lots of sand!
3 no 33.3%
6 yes 67.7%
Good post Nemont!
With all the money gunner pays in taxes why do the rest of us have to shell out any at all? How can gunner as a democrap complain about taxes, isn't that the corner stone of the donkey platform? Raise taxes to pay for programs that don't work, but make you feel good because you're doing something!
I will agree that neither candidate will do jack for the healthcare system. I personally like that Kerry it saying that he's going to make the healthcare plan that HE and the other senators have, made available to all Americans... Isn't it all ready? Wouldn't we just have to pay more?
Here in the people's republic of MD, there is a huge shortage of Obstitricians (sp) like 30% of what is needed. They can't afford to practice because they would spend about 8-9 months just paying off thier malpractice insurance. I think that the doctors should be held accountable but to what extent? $1m for a dead baby or $50m? Does more money justify the death? How do you put a price on life? Good ol' lawyers seem to think they'er justified in putting that number out there and getting it... Our governor is trying to push a bill through to put some sort of a "cap" on the lawsuits. Chit happens thats life! I don't see any quick fix for the health care problem anytime in the near future... especially in the next four years.
Personally, if you think that either one of these candidates is going to change America in the next four years back to what we had pre 9-11, you should see the ocean front property I got for sale in West Virginia... It has a sweet view and lots of sand!
wyomingtim
Member
Yes, worth it.
7 yes
3 no
7 yes
3 no
Moosie
Grand poopa
Come one Wyoming Tim... you had the easiest math to calculate the %.
