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You saw it here in SI first! Our next President!

"If you rednecks could find a Republican candidate with credentials like Dean's you'd be ecstatic"

What a dumb $*)Q!#@$ comment. I guess the definition of redneck is hard working, red blooded, freedom loving American?? One thing is for sure I would rather be a redneck than a yuppie democrat.
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As far as Dean goes. He talks a good one so does everyone else. Using the Iraq war against Bush is a cheap shot, and I lost any respect I had for him after reading that. Everyone knows the liberal bunch of pussy democrats would have rather discussed the situation with saddam over a latte. Unfortunately that would be completely ineffective just like everything else they do.

YOU MIGHT BE A DEMOCRAT IF...

* You believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career, but the defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree.

* You feel Fidelity means not cheating on your mistress.

* You think that pornography corrupts women, but find nothing wrong with a 50 year old president seducing a 21 year old intern.

* You cry every May 4th over the four people killed at Kent State, but have never been to the Vietnam Memorial.

* Along the same lines, "Four Dead in OHIO" by Neil Young gives you goosebumps, but "19" by Paul Hardcastle means nothing to you.

* You say shows like "Leave It to Beaver" are out of touch with America today, while you flip to your soap opera.

* You know of the stockpile of biological weapons in Iraq, but think that the US is wrong for not signing the land mines treaty.

* You want to know why we don't offer schooling in prisons (hey, isn't that what public schools are for).

* You think those stupid ribbons actually accomplish something.

* You tout the NAACP, but criticize anyone referring to a black man as a "colored person."

* You think a mother has a right to kill an innocent 5 month fetus because her pregnancy would interfere with her career, but feel we shouldn't put to death the man who raped and murdered 14 women.

* You feel that banning smoking in public indoor places limits your constitutional rights.

* You feel that being convicted of treason is an infringement on your first amendment rights.

* You honestly feel that alcoholics deserve social security disability benefits.

* You outwardly said "I would have voted for Elizabeth Dole" knowing darn well you wouldn't have because she is a Republican.

* You think it is ok for a President to commit perjury on his sex life, but criticize Dan Quayle for spelling potato/potatoe wrong.

* You stood on a soapbox demanding that Anita Hill be heard, but want Paula Jones' accusations to be swept under the rug.

* You sang along to "Give Peace a Chance" during the Gulf War.

* You've filed for unemployment within two weeks of getting out of high school.

* You went to Woodstock II and felt that it was a significant historical event, changing the way our country thinks.

* You own something that says, "Dukakis for President," and still display it.

* You've tried to argue in favor of anything based on, "Well, they're gonna do it anyway so..."

* You've ever said, "We really should call the ACLU about this."

* You ever based an argument on the phrase, "But they can afford a tax hike because..."

* You've ever argued that with just one more year of welfare that person will turn it around and get off drugs.

* You think Lennon was a brilliant social commentator.

* You keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic category.

* You believe our government must do it because everyone in Europe does.

* After looking at your pay stub you can still say, "America is undertaxed."
 
This should help you guys that want to become a better sleez bag, oops I mean democrat.

HOW TO BE A GOOD DEMOCRAT

Virtually anyone can be a Democrat. Just simply quit thinking and vote that way. But if you want to be a GOOD Democrat, there are some prerequisites.

Consider the list below to see how you rate.

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

3. You have to believe that guns, in the hands of law-abiding Americans, are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of Chinese communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists from Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe Republicans telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.
 
Damn Few that was some good stuff! But you know some of these Lib`s ,They just can`t handle the truth! trust me on this one this guy from vermont HAS NO chance! the Dumbocrat`s want HILLARY.
 
I was just having some fun woth the democrat jokes, I do think you should vote for the best candidate. I would not vote for someone based on their political party alone. Problem so far has been every time I start thinking a democratic candidate could actually be worth while, I find out some shit that snaps me back into reality. I actually liked ol willy until the whole truth about him came out.... I am not too fond of the stances many republicans take on environmental issues but when I weigh that against all the bullshit that comes with almost every democrat, I always decide to be a redneck.
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Find me a democrat that has an agenda to stop welfare program`s for people that don`t deserve it or arn`t entitled to it, find me a democrat who it ultra conservative and will protect our border`s, the truth is there arn`t ANY! find me one and i would vote for them in a heartbeat, i voted for Ross Perot, and i never follow party line`s , How about Tom Tancredo [R colorado] for president ? Now there is a real American.
 
CJ,
Many democrats have agendas to stop welfare to undeserving welfare recipients, like Welfare Ranchers. Not a big deal...

CJ, what is the Bush administration doing to stop the immigration that gets your dander up? 3 years into the administration, and you seem to be pretty concerned. We have invaded two other countries, and sealed their borders, why is Bush not sealing the AZ border???
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Above all, I am an Elk Hunter and a Salmon Fisherman, and Bush is failing us miserably, so any of his other issues are failing to make up for his shortcomings.

My problem with voting for president is the lack of the None of the Above option. Just as I couldn't vote to re-elect Clinton, I find myself unable to vote to re-elect Bush.

Hey MarS,
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I guess I should have flamed or posted some idiotic GIF or just acted like a dumbass punk <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Which am I?
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I always prefer being a Smart A$$ to a Dumb A$$.
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Gunner thing`s [at the border] seem to be getting better, yes Bush could be doing more, i could`nt imagine what Al gore would have let happen, there is alot that Bush does/doesn`t do that pisses me off, but until we get a strong 3rd party we are unfortunatly stuck with political hack`s that do what greedy special interests want them to do,i don`t think your man has a chance, but you never know, we will have to wait and see.
 
CJ,

I have become my own Special Interest, so I am only going to vote for those that take care of MY special interests. I want to kill Elk and catch Wild Salmon, be strong on those issues, and you get my vote.

I don't know who "my man" is, but if you know, please tell me, as that will save me a lot of reading and watching speeches/debates. The only one I know is Dean and the North Carolina fellow, who might be a Doctor. Not sure. I think there may be a woman from Chicago.

I'll trust the good people in New Hampshire and Iowa to thin the crowd down a bit, and let me vote for the best one left standing. Idaho's measly delegats don't influence primary elections, so we get no campaigning or attention from the Candidates. Not like you big boys down in AZ, you guys are the ones that carry the weight.

Hey speaking of your influence, how you doing convincing McCain to breach them dams? Let's keep the pressure up, don't want to lose are momentum... Go get 'em CJ!

MarS, I didn't see myslef in any of your sterotypes... maybe "punk-ass", but I am getting a bit old for that label...
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Man, Gunner, you just gotta be dificult don't you? Well, I'm not going to create a newone just for you so either conform or not be part of the "in" crowd.

Topic related, it would seem the heirarchy of the Democratic are starting a feeding frenzy on Dean for being too liberal. The Dems want to show their Centrist roots (yeah right)
 
Both parties have to run against their "extreme" side. The far left is far more active than the "centrists" on the demo party, just as the far right is far more vocal on the Republican side.

The trick is to get the "extreme" within your own party to support you in the primary, and then be "centrist" enough to get the 80% of Americans who are "in the middle" to swing the vote.

The extremists are valuable in the primary season, and valuable only in a "keem 'em in line" kind of way for the General Election. Al Gore lost control of his Left-wing, and Nader took the votes away.

The other thing to worry about, is we always have a history of electing Governors, and that goes to Bush Jr., Clinton, Reagan, Carter, etc.. etc.. We don't seem to be too big on electing Senators, in recent history. So given that, this Dean character could be the next Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton, in that he is overlooked by the Party, and actually becomes the people's choice. Not enough of a record to be scary.

Lots of learning to do...
 
OK, in that context I can go along with you.

I've yet to see a major player from the Democratic side who's truly a centrist, they are either liberal or extremist and that's what has been hurting the Dems in the last few National elections.

Slick claimed to be a moderate but his record proved otherwise.

Gore couldn't be a centrist , his book is evidence of that.

Lieberman seems to be the closest thing to a moderate the Dems could field but when he speaks he sounds like he's on heavy doses of valium. Unelectable in my opinion.

Here's an early listing of the candidates , not too promising IMHO. http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/ai/Uus-politics-democrats-analysis.Rc6Z_Du3.html
 
Mars,

Didn't Clinton of 96 become more Centrist than Clinton of 92? I am thinking of the Health Care Reform that was gone by 96, and similar issues.

It will be interesting to see Clinton's legacy in 20 years. I know Hillary & Co. will be working to get it re-polished, but we will see how we look back in 20 years.

It sure seems to me like the National elections are on a pendelum, where it swings too far one way, and then has to go back the other way. The Newt Gingrich/Helen Chenowith extreme was too far for the pendelum to the right, and cost the Republicans. It went back toward the Left, but Bush got it headed back right, fairly quickly. Again, it may be too far right, and need some re-centering, but I agree with you, none of the current selection of candidates is impressing.
 
The candidate to fear from either side is the one that SEEMS moderate and "centrist." An obvious example are the liberals who trying to stay away from the issue of gun control. It's not that they've suddenly changed their minds on the issue, they just know that their position is an unpopular one and likely to get them defeated. But will they take it up once elected? You bet. I'd just about rather see a foaming-at-the-mouth, left-wing, peace-mongering, animal-hugging, Commie-kissing hippie take the field than a professed "moderate." At least then we'd know where he stood and what to expect from him. Know thine enemy!
 
I dunno Gunner, it seems to me he kept working on the National Healthcare reform all through both terms, it just shifted more to Hillary's pet projet. They knew there weren't enough votes to nationalize 1/7th of the U.S.'s economy. Look how well it works for Canada, yeah our citizens go up there for cheaper drugs but their citizens come down here to be able to get them.

good point D.

it's just too bad the Libertarians keep trotting out candidates that couldn't be elected Crossing Guard.
 
More on Dean!! Read the whole article! Dean gets an "A" from the NRA!

"Morris and other pundits dismiss Dean as a liberal because he opposed the war in Iraq and because he believes in equal rights for all, but the reality is more complex. He certainly has a strong record on “liberal” issues like health care, and fighting child abuse and domestic violence. But an analysis on MSNBC.com found that “liberal” Dean and “conservative” Joseph Lieberman have similar policies and are both in the mainstream. Dean is a fiscal conservative who has balanced budgets, and the only Democrat running with an “A” rating from the NRA. For years he incurred the wrath of Vermont liberals because of his tough budget policies. Dean is an independent thinker who cannot so easily be categorized.........."

http://www.idahostatesman.com/Opinion/story.asp?ID=45759
 
"More on Dean"... moron Dean.. oops sorry , just young and impetuous
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Dean still spooks me, aside from the fact that I don't trust the NRA even though I'm a member. I seem to remember that Dean supported the "assault weapon" ban, you know, the one the NRA helped to craft..

Never let a special interest group decide for you who to vote for even if the group is your own.
 

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