Wolves pounce on hunting dogs

[Quiet_One]

hmm u know always the miserble lonely people who mean wanna shoot dogs for getting on their land i cant see why shoot inless they harmin ur animals livestock inless i read wrong hmm maybe i dont know much i dot see why shoot somethin if it aint harmin anyones livestock i mean if i was be one thos epeople i think first watch see what how think what animal thinks by watchin him then if i felt danger for livestock i shoot otherwise if dog is on land not harmin knoowing it someo nes hunting dog i wouldnt shoot dogs dont know better all time they like to explore not listen once in while but if that unsafe i say train dog real good so he know better i mean knows

 

[Ithaca 37]

Here's what you have to do. You're allowed to kill a wolf in self defense (the way I understand it). Just claim the wolf was trying to kill your dog and the dog ran back to you for protection. The wolf was right behind it in full kill mode and when it got close you were afraid it was going to attack you (after all, it was running straight at you with it's teeth bared and snarling) so you shot it. No way to tell at that point if the wolf was just after the dog or after both of you. You couldn't take a chance and had to shoot it in self defense.

Jeez, don't you guys ever use your heads?

 

[The Hedgehog]

Just shoot it in the ass, let it run off and die an agonizing death. No explanation required.

 

[Ten Bears]

The issue these hunters have, I think, is that they are accustomed toletting their hounds out to chase cats when they find the cat tracks. Hounds howl as they case the cats and when the cats climb trees. Wolves zero in on the howling hounds and kill the hounds because they see them as a competing pack. The houndsmen use radio tracking equipment to track the location of the hounds until a cat is caught in a tree, and then they come in to kill it (or take pictures), but in wolf country, I hear the wolves are beating the houndsmen to the hounds. I think.

 

[MattK]

TB- I'm not being sarcastic, do you have any links that have said wolves follow the baying of the hounds? I can see where it would be possible but I haven't heard that before.

 

[SageGhost]

hey matt from U.S. Fish and wildlife website

There was a flurry of incidents involving lion hounds and wolves over the past 2 weeks. In the Clearwater Region of north Idaho, 2 separate lion hunters reported a total of 3 hounds killed and 1 injured, while in the Salmon-Challis area, another lion hunter had a hound killed. Additionally, 2 bloodhounds were lost in the same vicinity a few days after the incident, when the owners lost contact with their dogs. During the first week in January, two bloodhounds were reported killed by wolves near Salmon, Idaho, when their owners allowed them to go on a walkabout in an area of known wolf activity and the site of previous dog attacks by wolves. A hound hunter from Grangeville, Idaho, had his two-year-old blue tick/walker hound killed by wolves while hunting mountain lions near White Bird, Idaho. Another hound managed to escape the wolf attack when the hounds man fired a handgun to scare the wolves away. A hounds man from Orofino, Idaho, reported on January 11 that he had two Walker/Black and Tan cross hounds killed by wolves and another dog, a Walker, was missing while mountain lion hunting. The estimated value of the three hounds is $6000.

 

[Ten Bears]

There was a flurry of incidents involving lion hounds and wolves over the past 2 weeks. In the Clearwater Region of north Idaho, 2 separate lion hunters reported a total of 3 hounds killed and 1 injured, while in the Salmon-Challis area, another lion hunter had a hound killed. Additionally, 2 bloodhounds were lost in the same vicinity a few days after the incident, when the owners lost contact with their dogs. During the first week in January, two bloodhounds were reported killed by wolves near Salmon, Idaho, when their owners allowed them to go on a walkabout in an area of known wolf activity and the site of previous dog attacks by wolves. A hound hunter from Grangeville, Idaho, had his two-year-old blue tick/walker hound killed by wolves while hunting mountain lions near White Bird, Idaho. Another hound managed to escape the wolf attack when the hounds man fired a handgun to scare the wolves away. A hounds man from Orofino, Idaho, reported on January 11 that he had two Walker/Black and Tan cross hounds killed by wolves and another dog, a Walker, was missing while mountain lion hunting. The estimated value of the three hounds is $6000.

http://www.r6.fws.gov/wolf/wk01212005.htm

In recent years 8 to 17 hounds per year have been killed by wolves in hunting and training situations, but the three hounds listed above are the only losses of this kind so far for 2003. The DNR will continue to pay for partial reimbursement of losses to dogs caused by wolves, but control trapping by USDA-Wildlife Services will only occur if wolves cause depredation to domestic animals on private lands.

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/er/mammals/wolf/dogdepred2003.htm

Thirty-six cases of depredation on dogs were documented in Wisconsin including death of 27 dogs and injury on 9 dogs. Of these 36 dogs, 28 were attacked while being used for hunting or training on predators, 4 for hunting hares, 2 were non-hunting dogs roaming in wildland areas and 2 were attacked near homesteads.

Seventeen dog depredations occurred while hunting or training on bear. Most wolf attacks occurred on free-roaming dogs. Many wolf attacks occurred when dogs approached den, rendezvous sites, or kills (prey) being defended by wolves.

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/er/publications/wolfplan/appendix/appendix_a.htm

The two dogs, both beagles, were killed on March 20 while hunting snowshoe hares with their owner near Kidrick Swamp in the northern portions of the Medford District of the Chequamegon National Forest. The owner and his hunter partner were separated from the dogs for a short while in some heavy brush when they heard a yelp from one of the dogs several hundred yards away. When the owner reached the site, he found both dogs dead and saw two or three wolves disappear into the woods.

Department of Natural Resources conservation wardens Nick Nice of Medford, and Ken Frederick of Phillips and U. S. Department of Agriculture - Wildlife Service agent Ed Zydzik of Phillips investigated the incident and confirmed that wolves had killed the dogs.

"Although the incidence of wolf attacks on dogs has increased somewhat in recent years, such incidents continue to be rare events," said Adrian Wydeven, DNR wolf biologist located in Park Falls. "When wolves attack dogs, it is a form of territorial defense or competition for food."

http://dnr.wi.gov/org/caer/ce/news/on/1998/on980331.htm


I wasn't aware that I would be required to defend so soon with sources something I labeled as "I think" .

From Google I found this:

Wolves kill hunting dogs near Dent Bridge
CLEARWATER TRIBUNE | January 13, 2005 | Vicki McLeod

Posted on 01/13/2005 2:48:45 PM PST by Delphinium

Wolves kill hunting dogs near Dent Bridge

Mike Stockton, guide for Reggear Outfitters, was conducting a hunt Tuesday morning, Jan. 11, around 8:30-9:30 a.m. in the Cranberry Creek/Elk Creek area northeast of Dent Bridge when he says three of his hunting dogs were killed by wolves. A fourth is being treated at the vet for bite wounds to his hind quarters. According to Stockton, the vet documented the dog’s wounds as inflicted by an animal of at least one hundred pounds.

Stockton and Travis Reggear (Outfitter owner) were on Baldy Road, on the other side of Dent Bridge, running bobcat. Stockton says there are two packs of four wolves each (one in Elk Creek, one in Swamp Creek) that they’ve been watching for six weeks now. Because of this, prior to beginning the hunt, Stockton and Reggear (who hunt together in an effort to protect the dogs), circled the road by pickup to make sure no wolves were nearby.

The dogs’ treeing switches were activated showing that a bobcat was treed. Soon after, the treeing switches quit signaling “treed” but since he and Reggear had already circled the area, Stockton didn’t suspect that wolves were around.

At that point, a single dog was showing movement throughout the canyon area. Stockton called to the dog and heard a wolf howl. He saw a second wolf. As Stockton reached the scene, one of his dogs was dead near the tree with the full kill site one hundred yards wide. The fourth dog was still running around the hillside.

Stockton believes the wolves came from Swamp Creek, down Baldy Road two to two-and-a-half miles. It had only been a little over an hour from the time the dogs were originally let out until the attack.

Stockton, a 24-year outfitter, believes the wolves were only doing what wolves do. He blames the people in society for causing the wolves to be there to begin with.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320292/posts

 

[huntinfool]

I don't see that either MattK. Wolves will in general run from people unless they are cornered or confronted. I have been up hunting and walked in on a pack, I have also been riding horses and come across them and in both cases the wolves where more afraid of me than I was of them. We have also had them with in 500 yards of our camp, with livestock all around and they left us alone. The point is, in most cases wolves are a very private animal. Yes they live in packs or families but but they will go after they're native fool before they go after a domestic animal.

 

[Ten Bears]

I'm not buying the line your selling HUNTINGFOOL. It may be your opinion, but word from the hound hunting community (& WI DNR) says otherwise.

 

[BuzzH]

Ten beers, do you have hounds?

Do you have livestock?

Didnt think so.

Apparently you must be afraid of the big-bad-wolf...watch out for Santa and the Easter Bunny too...oh and be sure to look under your bed for the boogey man.

 

[Tom]

question?

Isn't it a common thing for predators to kill other predators, so they can have all the prey? I think that's why wolves kill dogs, they find them chasing their prey. Is that right?

 

[ELKCHSR]

I saw a wolf by where I was staying the night this last year, he wasn't more than 15 feet from my truck.

 

[Ten Bears]

Ten beers, do you have hounds? I have freinds that own hounds, and I've been on hunts with them.

Do you have livestock? I live in an open range county, and there again, I have freinds that own livestock.

Didnt think so. One thing is for sure, you don't know diddly.

Apparently you must be afraid of the big-bad-wolf...watch out for Santa and the Easter Bunny too...oh and be sure to look under your bed for the boogey man.

BUZZ, if I'm wrong, prove it. If you can't do that, shut your yap, and 2 step into a back pedal back out of here. hump hump

 

[huntinfool]

Well Tenbears thats fine, I'm just telling you what I now, you see I own a WOLF and I had to go through F&G to keep her. F&G's regulations on owning a wolf are very strict, you have to learn and know about the animal and their behavior. Yes wolves are dangerous and can and do kill but if you think logically. And think about how a wolf acts you'll see that they,the wolves, see the hounds as competition for their fool source. Hound hunter are going to have to learn to deal with it, because the wolves are here to stay.
Thats just my lowly opinion.

 

[Ten Bears]

.... Yes they live in packs or families but but they will go after they're native fool before they go after a domestic animal.

HUNTINFOOL, I meant this is the part that I'm not buying. Wolves eat meat, and I'd bet that horses and mules look a lot like any other 4 legged food source. As far as the hounds part goes, I agree, wolves probably do see hounds baying as a competing pack and attack them as such.

 

[huntinfool]

Ten bears wolves generally go after food they know, if they are desperate, then I can see them going after live stock. I have never had any problems with them and we are up in the the forest a lot. We are in hunting camp for three full weeks every year. NEVER have they bothered us or our livestock. We also have kids too. I would say that ones opinion has to do with their experience with wolves, if a person does not like wolves then they don't and no one will change they opinion.

 

[MattK]

TB- Thanks for the info on the wolves. Quite interesting. I think Huntinfool is correct in that wolves stay away from domestic animals and are more likely to go after their native food sources. The only reason being domestic animals proximity to people. If domestic animals were further away from people, they would be more likely to be the food source of choice.

 

[Ten Bears]

MATT/HUNTINFOOL, I am not of the opinion that domestic animals are "safe" strictly because they are domestic. I disagree with you. I have been in camps were the wolves have spent the night circling the camp howling just outside the lighted ring of the camp. I have also been in camps were the wolves have harassed stock away from the camp, and the stock was not seen again.

 

[huntinfool]

Tenbears, I think it really depends on were you are at. If a wolf grows up in an area that has more domestic stock than native animals, what is it going to learn to hunt?
If the wolf grows up in any area that does not see many domestic stock it will hunt animals native to that area. Just my lowly opinion again!

 

[Ten Bears]

HUNTINFOOL, don't misunderstand, I do respect your opinion, but I also have opposing views on the issue. Just because I don't agree, doesn't mean your opinion doesn't have merit.