Why does the Guvment need....

[Zach]

Sub machine guns in the Dept of Agriculture?

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...01217d03b0354e1e18b69aa7bad&tab=core&_cview=0

 

[Gunner46]

Take a stroll through the Humbolt Co. backcountry and you'll understand very quickly.

 

[Jwill]

http://www.usda.gov/oig/invest.htm

 

[WV Hunter]

A sub machine gun is a more of a personal protection detail type weapon. Pistol calibers are not very effective and should stay in pistols. While sub machine guns are mission oriented and can be fun , I see no viable reason why the Dept of Ag would need it.

 

[Oak]

The USDA manages national forest lands, where you have drugs being grown, supremacist whackos hiding out, and jackwagons like Cliven Bundy grazing livestock. I say why wouldn't they need sub machine guns?

 

[smarandr]

The USDA manages national forest lands, where you have drugs being grown, supremacist whackos hiding out, and jackwagons like Cliven Bundy grazing livestock. I say why wouldn't they need sub machine guns?

Gubmint employees aren't really US citizens, they're nefarious agents all sent to undermine my constitutional liberties and thus aren't entitled to the protection of the 2nd Amendment.

 

[WV Hunter]

The USDA manages national forest lands, where you have drugs being grown, supremacist whackos hiding out, and jackwagons like Cliven Bundy grazing livestock. I say why wouldn't they need sub machine guns?

It's pretty simple. Rifles do a much better job of killing people than pistol caliber weapons. If you are going to be totting a weapon around because of whackos hiding in the woods a 40 caliber pistol type sub machine gun is about a stupid of a choice as you can get. That's why

 

[Wapiti Warrior]

with out "gubmint" employees (which I am assuming you are meaning government employees) your constitutional rights weren't possible..... our military men and women!

 

[BuzzH]

Why should the USDA have firearms?

Seriously?

I think those finding a problem with this need to get out in the woods more often.

Its not 1970, when the worst thing you'd find on NF lands, is a hippy chained to a tree at a logging sale.

Theres all sorts of illegal things going on in NF lands, and being done by people that would have no problem doing harm to others that may inadvertantly stumble across their operations.

For the USDA LEO's adequate firearms are not only a good idea, but completely appropriate.

The Bundy situation should be a clear example of precisely why any and all firearms should be utilized by the USDA/USDI LEO's.

 

[BuzzH]

It's pretty simple. Rifles do a much better job of killing people than pistol caliber weapons. If you are going to be totting a weapon around because of whackos hiding in the woods a 40 caliber pistol type sub machine gun is about a stupid of a choice as you can get. That's why

I agree, in some cases that may be true.

How about when raiding a pot farm in the PNW where you cant see more than 20-30 feet?

Weapons of all types have appropriate uses and benefits depending on the situation.

Not sure its your place to second guess those that are in the field with their asses on the line about weapon choices.

 

[WV Hunter]

I agree, in some cases that may be true.

How about when raiding a pot farm in the PNW where you cant see more than 20-30 feet?

Weapons of all types have appropriate uses and benefits depending on the situation.

Not sure its your place to second guess those that are in the field with their asses on the line about weapon choices.

Use SBR's or send in the DEA.

Do they really need sub machine guns to raid raw milk operations?

 

[Ben Lamb]

I support well armed LEO's:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35650016/...rts/t/drug-gangs-taking-over-us-public-lands/

 

[Oak]

It's pretty simple. Rifles do a much better job of killing people than pistol caliber weapons. If you are going to be totting a weapon around because of whackos hiding in the woods a 40 caliber pistol type sub machine gun is about a stupid of a choice as you can get. That's why

That's reasonable, but I'm sure they know what weapons they prefer for the situations they encounter. Have a little faith in our government.

 

[BuzzH]

Use SBR's or send in the DEA.

Do they really need sub machine guns to raid raw milk operations?

Yeah, all the USDA over-sees is raw milk operations...

As an aside, you do realize FS LEO's (under USDA), work in cooperation with other federal and state Law Enforcement Agencies?

You also realize that 95% of the time FS, BLM, etc. LEO's are working in very remote country and alone?

I'd want more than all the firepower I found appropriate and the last thing I'd want is some back-seat driver telling me what I need or should have.

 

[WV Hunter]

Yeah, all the USDA over-sees is raw milk operations...

As an aside, you do realize FS LEO's (under USDA), work in cooperation with other federal and state Law Enforcement Agencies?

You also realize that 95% of the time FS, BLM, etc. LEO's are working in very remote country and alone?

I'd want more than all the firepower I found appropriate and the last thing I'd want is some back-seat driver telling me what I need or should have.

I bet you're a blast at parties.

And I agree, if I'm in a remote area by myself I'd want more firepower and something significant to defend myself with. It certainly wouldn't be a pistol caliber weapon. Sometimes I wonder if these procurements are done off the basis of a weapon looking cool

 

[BuzzH]

I bet you're a blast at parties.

And I agree, if I'm in a remote area by myself I'd want more firepower and something significant to defend myself with. It certainly wouldn't be a pistol caliber weapon. Sometimes I wonder if these procurements are done off the basis of a weapon looking cool

It could be that the USDA having a couple "pistol caliber weapons", is justified for a specific use rather than because they look cool.

Who knows, it may even be prudent to find out FIRST, rather than risk breaking your leg jumping to conclusions...

 

[WV Hunter]

It could be that the USDA having a couple "pistol caliber weapons", is justified for a specific use rather than because they look cool.

Who knows, it may even be prudent to find out FIRST, rather than risk breaking your leg jumping to conclusions...

The government has never made stupid choices. They are always right.

Why you mad bro?

You remind me of grump cat

 

[brownbear932008]

USDA LEO's face multiple threat's on a daily basis from illegal drug operations on NF lands. I know for a fact here in WV. lots of Meth being produced in such places, other parts of the country illegal's running drugs across boarders, illegal marijuana grows and it goes on and on. USDA LEO jobs have changed a great deal in the past decade or two with what they are dealing with in most parts of the country.

There is zero doubt in my mind they do need to be heavily armed in certain situations. And as far as the 40cal. sub it is a great weapon most LEO encounters are very close range not sniper situations when deadly force is needed. Little recoil in those sub 40's.

 

[Jwill]

OIG Investigative and Law Enforcement Authority

The Office of Inspector General (OIG), U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), was administratively established by the Secretary of Agriculture in 1962 following a major criminal fraud scandal affecting several agencies within USDA. OIG was later legislatively established by Congress under the Inspector General Act of 1978 (Public Law [P.L.] 95-452), as amended.

Pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978 and Section 1337 of the Agriculture and Food Act of 1981 (P.L. 97-98), OIG Investigations is the law enforcement arm of the Department, with Department-wide investigative jurisdiction. OIG Special Agents conduct investigations of significant criminal activities involving USDA programs, operations, and personnel, and are authorized to make arrests, execute warrants, and carry firearms. The types of investigations conducted by OIG Special Agents involve criminal activities such as frauds in subsidy, price support, benefits, and insurance programs; significant thefts of Government property or funds; bribery; extortion; smuggling; and assaults on employees. Investigations involving criminal activity that affects the health and safety of the public, such as meat packers who knowingly sell hazardous food products and individuals who tamper with food regulated by USDA, are also high-profile investigative priorities. In addition, OIG Special Agents are poised to provide emergency law enforcement response to USDA declared emergencies and suspected incidents of terrorism affecting USDA regulated industries, as well as USDA programs, operations, personnel, and installations, in coordination with Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies, as appropriate.

The enactment of the Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 1996 (P.L. 104-37) authorized OIG to receive funds and property through criminal and civil Federal forfeiture proceedings, and through equitable sharing of forfeited funds and property controlled by the U.S. Department of Justice. Forfeiture proceeds have severe restrictions mandated by statutes and U.S. Department of Justice policy as to how they are used. Forfeiture funds cannot be used in lieu of the OIG's regular appropriations.

The solicitation was for USDA Office of Inspector General. Above is the text from the link I posted. I thought that answered the question pretty succinctly, but carry on...

 

[fowladdict]

It's pretty simple. Rifles do a much better job of killing people than pistol caliber weapons. If you are going to be totting a weapon around because of whackos hiding in the woods a 40 caliber pistol type sub machine gun is about a stupid of a choice as you can get. That's why

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Take a stroll through the Humbolt Co. backcountry and you'll understand very quickly.

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Not sure its your place to second guess those that are in the field with their asses on the line about weapon choices.