Whats your take on the "GLYPHOSATE" Round Up Lawsuit in California

[VikingsGuy]

True, but there are other associated costs to the taxpayers that you have not factored in do to the political wrangling that goes on to keep these subsidies in place.

"Farm subsidies have never made economic sense, but farm interests have held sway in Congress. While farmers are a small share of the U.S. population today, the farm lobby is still strong. One reason is that farm-state legislators have co-opted the support of urban legislators by including food-stamp subsidies in farm bills. Other legislators support farm bills because of the inclusion of conservation subsidies."

People here complain about the low BLM and USFS grazing rates. I don't have a problem with those rates, as long as the lessees graze their livestock with good stewardship in mind. I do support the CRP program.

I also think that people in our country take our abundant and cheap food supply entirely for granted and a day is coming when folks will wish they hadn't. Time will tell, and I hope I'm not around to witness it.

I don't have a crystal ball, but baring nuclear war I see no scenario where the US residents are at a calorie deficit within the next 75 years, so not convinced only those who have gardens will survive.

 

[BigHornRam]

I don't have a crystal ball, but baring nuclear war I see no scenario where the US residents are at a calorie deficit within the next 75 years, so not convinced only those who have gardens will survive.

Really? The number one producer of all these vegetable crops is continually being litigated for water consumption, usage of pesticides and herbicides, carbon emissions, ect, all the while prime farm ground continues to turn into housing developments.

Hope your right.

 

[beginnerhunter]

I’m all for growing your own food, I enjoy gardening and tending my apple and pear trees, but it is still work and there are good and bad years.
Expecting backyard farming to catch on is laughable. Most people have trouble keeping a house plant live. Pesticides and herbicides are necessary in today’s modern farming techniques. If you want to go %100 organic it is pretty easy to discover what are you yields will be. Simply go look at the yields from around 1890-1910. That would provide a nice 20 year window what to expect. There’s gonna to be a lot of hungry folks.

For Comparison
The 1918 kansas wheat crop
Total production 97,710,00
Yield per acre 13.5

2017 Kansas wheat crop
Total production 333,600,00
Yield per acre 48

Your going to need more apple trees!

That's okay, we can just fill in the unproductive swamps and wetlands around the country so we can grow organic, non-gmo food only. It's better for the environment!

 

[VikingsGuy]

Really? The number one producer of all these vegetable crops is continually being litigated for water consumption, usage of pesticides and herbicides, carbon emissions, ect, all the while prime farm ground continues to turn into housing developments.

Hope your right.

All of those would go away if we were actually hungry or had our grocery bills tripled. All the whining and hand wringing about food production in the US is the luxury hobby of a population who spends a historically low percentage of income on food and which is so over fed that we are one of the heaviest people on the planet. "First world problems" garner our attention during the "good years" - a few really bad years (through a historical lens, not an entitled whine of the week on facebook lens) would quickly fix that in a NY minute. Heck, we waste 30+% of our food production in the US, turn another roughly 15% of our food capacity it into biofuels and export $100 billion worth food on top of that. Thankfully we are far from being a hungry nation.

 

[BigHornRam]

Little dated but good article.

How Food in Venezuela Went From Subsidized to Scarce (Published 2017)

Venezuela was once the richest country in South America, but now the cost of basic groceries is about five times the minimum wage.

www.nytimes.com

With all the goof balls we have jockeying to lead our country my confidence is not as high as yours VikingsGuy.

I do agree, as a nation we are overfed and eat a lot of crappy food. Pretty spoiled too.

 

[Keeptrying]

administered daily intraperitoneal injections of glyphosate (25 mg/kg BW/day dissolved in PBS)

To put that in perspective a 220 pound man would be receiving 2500 mg a day injected into their internal organ cavity. They don't say how much fluid they are dissolving it in, but would be a bit, probably 1ml/mg so 2.5 liters of fluid injected into the peritoneal cavity daily.

Ya. That's gonna cause some problems.

 

[Schaaf]

I work with it multiple times a week for the last 6 years. I'm still cancer free last I knew anyways.

Exhibit A on why you shouldn’t be messing with this stuff.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Little dated but good article.

How Food in Venezuela Went From Subsidized to Scarce (Published 2017)

Venezuela was once the richest country in South America, but now the cost of basic groceries is about five times the minimum wage.

www.nytimes.com

With all the goof balls we have jockeying to lead our country my confidence is not as high as yours VikingsGuy.

I do agree, as a nation we are overfed and eat a lot of crappy food. Pretty spoiled too.

Definitely agree Venezuela is a true disaster - another reminder that socialism and planned economies don't ever work - but Venezuela only produced about a third of its food, and imported the rest. Relying on other countries to feed you while your government refuses to pay its bills and spends much of its budget helping other socialist countries (cuba, bolivia, etc) is a bad combination. Net import food countries are always at a greater risk (but the US is not such a country).

 

[antlerradar]

Maybe.

But I would rather spend the short Wyoming growing season hiking, camping, hunting, scouting, fishing, traveling, etc. than trying to make marginal ground slightly productive.

But that is just me.

375, you are so very right. The last thing I want to do is spend my time in the garden. Been there done that. I am all for people having a garden if they want to. I would have a big problem if it was mandated.
As a society we are far better off with production agriculture. It is called trade and not necessarily the kind we do with China or other counties. We are far better off with people doing specified work and trading for other things that they need. An example is I trade Beef to the doctor for his expertise in operating on my knee. I did not actually give him beef for services, I traded Beef to a Feed lot owner for money and traded the money to the Doctor for his services. ( there was few more transactions involved) As a society we are better off if I concentrate on Cattle and the Doctor spends his time helping people in need.
The last thing we want is for some that may be working on the cure for cancer to be forced to spend their time growing there own food. The value of this persons time could be north of a 100 dollars an hour. That translates into some very expensive vegetables.

 

[88man]

If your gonna homestead up north your gonna have to be planting some root crops like Turnips & Beets & Radish & Potatoes. Better get some cabbage and brussel sprouts in the ground and acorn and butternut squash.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

375, you are so very right. The last thing I want to do is spend my time in the garden. Been there done that. I am all for people having a garden if they want to. I would have a big problem if it was mandated. As a society we are far better off with production agriculture. It is called trade and not necessarily the kind we do with China or other counties. As a society we are far better off with people doing specified work and trading for other things that they need. An example is I trade Beef to the doctor for his expertise in operating on my knee. I did not actually give him beef for services, I traded Beef to a Feed lot owner for money and traded the money to the Doctor for his services. ( there was few more transactions involved) As a society we are better off if I concentrate on Cattle and the Doctor spends his time helping people in need. The last thing we want is for some that may be working on the cure for cancer to be forced to spend their time growing there own food. The value of this persons time could be north of a 100 dollars an hour. That translates into some very expensive vegetables.

As far as work with a garden. You may not have too do too much.

I mean if she can do, then anyone can do it.

 

[antlerradar]

As far as work with a garden. You may not have too do too much.

I mean if she can do, then anyone can do it.

Doesn't matter how much time it takes. I spent far too much time in the garden in my youth. It was more like torture than work too me, Expressly when was setting there pulling weeds and could watch the fish rising in the river. No matter how you efficient back yard gardening is, forcing those that don't enjoy gardening to grow there own food will have negative impacts to society. Simple Economics

 

[BigHornRam]

No one is suggesting that growing your own garden should be mandated. It's only been suggested that being able to grow and raise your own food are good skills to have. For a good portion of todays society, the only skills they have in food procurement is pulling up to the fast food drive through.

 

[VikingsGuy]

he only skills they have in food procurement is pulling up to the fast food drive through.

Won't even need that for long, Minneapolis is now banning future drive-through businesses. (aren't we seattle wannabee's precious)

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Exhibit A on why you shouldn’t be messing with this stuff.

Yea yea....I dont know how I've made it thru life this long. It's nothing short of a miracle. But I'm glad it provides some mild entertainment.

 

[375H&H]

If someone could grow big greasy cheeseburgers or pizza in their backyard that I could swipe after a long pack out around 2am that would be nice...

 

[Phaseolus]

Keep in mind when discussing the farm bill, about 70% of the money for the farm bill goes to SNAP (food stamps) and school lunches.

 

[LopeHunter]

All of those would go away if we were actually hungry or had our grocery bills tripled. All the whining and hand wringing about food production in the US is the luxury hobby of a population who spends a historically low percentage of income on food and which is so over fed that we are one of the heaviest people on the planet. "First world problems" garner our attention during the "good years" - a few really bad years (through a historical lens, not an entitled whine of the week on facebook lens) would quickly fix that in a NY minute. Heck, we waste 30+% of our food production in the US, turn another roughly 15% of our food capacity it into biofuels and export $100 billion worth food on top of that. Thankfully we are far from being a hungry nation.

Also, CRP land is in reserve not growing crops. Almost 24 million acres are idle now that once grew crops. For comparison, all of Tennessee is about 27 million acres.