The Wise Use Movement (WUM)

[Ithaca 37]

For those of you who have been duped by the Wise Use Groups and continue to be the unwitting pawns of industries hoping to take over and exploit our public lands, to the detriment of our hunting, fishing, and recreational opportunities, here's some info that will open your eyes!!!

http://www.ewg.org/pub/home/clear/on_wise/AFTE.html

""The Wise Use Movement"

The Wise Use movement is a campaign led by special-interest business and industry-funded groups to overturn and weaken environmental regulations and open up public and private lands to development. Wise Use advocates assert that their basic philosophy is that nature should be used for human consumption and profit."

http://www.pacificsites.com/~mec/NEWSL/ISS12/12.02.WUMAgenda.html

The Wise Use Agenda
1) A Wise Use Public Education Project by the U.S. Forest Service. A public outreach action plan and implementation shall be accomplished using print and electronic media to reach the broadest possible public with the commodity use story of the National Forest System.
2) Immediate Development of the Petroleum Resources of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska.

3) The Inholder Protection Act. (Inholders are people who own private property holdings within public lands.)

The government shall cease to exercise eminent domain power on inholdings and the General Condemnation Act of 1888 and the Declaration of Taking Act of 1933 shall be repealed.

4) Global Warming Prevention Act.

All remaining old-growth forests on public lands shall be immediately cut down and replaced with baby trees. The government shall also fund and coordinate urban tree planting on federal property.

5) Cut the Tongass National Forest......

Here's some more!!!:

WUM Weirdos
Nazis
Off Hurricane Ridge Road, deep in the timberlands of Washington State, a FS ranger found a northern spotted owl nailed to a sign post. The owl had a wooden kitchen match protruding from its chest and a sign around its neck which said, "The match has yet to be struck". Not far away, off another backwoods road near the Hoh River, a sign nailed to a spruce tree reads, "White loggers, we are with you", and it is from the White Aryan Resistance (WAR). These signs in the woods are some of the earliest signals that WAR, along with other organized Nazi groups, have launched a campaign in the Pacific Northwest which hopes to use the spotted owl and the demise of timber-dependent communities to attract members to what will be a new political party that will represent "the white working man". They also reflect a relatively new twist in Nazi organizing in the U.S. In the past, Nazi organizing has largely been a clandestine and underground activity. But in recent years, with the advent of the likes of Tom Metzger, and more recently David Duke, they have adopted an above ground stance with the goal of becoming a legitimate force in the political arena.
http://www.pacificsites.com/~mec/NEWSL/ISS12/12.08WUMWierdo.html

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[Ithaca 37]

Here's More! This is great stuff!! I'm amazed at how some Hunt Talkers have been duped by these Wise Use nuts! Some of what I've seen posted here by HT members is right straight out of the Wise Use handbook!

http://www.texasep.org/html/lnd/lnd_5pub_wise.html

"Since 1988 a loose coalition of organizations, known as the "wise use" coalition, has been lobbying for changes in public land policies. For example, the coalition wants to increase and expand logging in publicly owned old-growth forests and livestock grazing on public lands. The coalition also wants to open national parks, such as Yellowstone, to mining and oil drilling. Barring the federal government from acquiring any additional private land for parks or wildlife habitat has also been advocated by the wise use coalition....."

 

[MarlandS]

http://pws.chartermi.net/~duluthikes/wu_hunt.htm If hunters and anglers leave these issues for the green groups to deal with, then we can't complain when environmental groups fail to represent our interests. We actually end up proving some people's suspicions that we aren't interested in protecting something if we can't shoot or catch it. If that's what we've come to, then maybe our critics are correct, but that's not where we came from. From the very beginning of the conservation movement, hunters and anglers have been concerned about all living things and wild places. In the long run, retaking this moral high ground is our best strategy for the protecting hunting and the environment

conservation writer Ted Williams wrote, "Any hunter or angler who is not an environmentalist...is a damned fool."

 

[Ithaca 37]

Marland, Great article!!

"Members of the wise-use movement know that paranoia is a powerful propaganda tool, and they wield it effectively. Because of our legitimate fear of overly zealous anti-hunting and animal rights activists, we sportsmen and -women have fallen for their spiel."

I'd say there's a few paranoid Hunt Talkers who have fallen!!!

"...people are now working to unravel decades of environmental progress. Some of these people are politicians who parade around in camouflage once a year to get hunters' votes, proclaiming to be our friends, while they destroy the very things we cherish. These people are the common foe of everyone who loves nature..."

That's what makes me the sickest! Hunters, especially, who don't know the incumbants they vote for here in Idaho are their worst enemies!!! Those fisherwussies down in the fishing section are usually better informed voters!! Any Idaho outdoorsman who votes for our present governor next November is a fool!! He's the worst thing that's happened to hunters and fishermen in this state for many years! And the wise use crowd has convinced most people in Idaho we shouldn't have a strong two party system!

Ted Williams would be appalled at how many damn fools we have here at Hunt Talk!!

 

[Muledeer4me]

Divide & Conquer, exploit, Focus on extreme positions!!!!!
Yep ,there's nut case in all groups.
Good links guy's.
It makes me glad I just renewed my membership with the BlueRibbon Colation.
I had to laugh at some of the things these groups were asking for----Open all wilderness areas to wheelchair access!!!
That's funny.
Unrestricted access!!!!That's funny also.
Do you think that some of these things are so far out in left field-----much like alot of the things the radical green groups ask for ?
Wishing to find the reasonable thinker's in the bunch so that something in the middle can be had? LOL
"Divide and conquer: Within the Wise Use movement, there exists a number of ideological divisions between groups such as cattlemen versus sheepherders, and ranchers versus miners. The conglomeration of groups within the movement is made up of many different interests, often united only in their contention with environmentalists.

And in addition to ideological divisions between groups, individuals within the movement are often at odds with each other. (A number of the more mainstream Wise Use groups are attempting to separate themselves from Arnold and Gottlieb's extremist rhetoric.) Identify these divisions and exploit them in the media and with the public. "
"Focus on extreme positions of the movement: Hold Arnold, Gottlieb, and others accountable to some of the more extreme positions outlined in the Wise Use Agenda (such as opening all public lands to mining and energy consumption) and in statements made to the press."


"Expose connections between Wise Use leaders and other extremists: One individual that immediately comes to mind is the Reverend Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church, which funds the American Freedom Coalition (AFC). Both Arnold and Gottlieb have a documented relationship with the AFC. Connections with the Unification Church, Aryan Nation, Lyndon LaRouche, and the John Birch Society (see The Wise Use Movement: A Strategic Analysis) discredit Wise Use attempts to appear rational, popular and middle-ground. "
"Building coalitions: Groups that are traditionally considered neutral on environmental issues (such as women's and religious groups) are vital to these battles. And, needless to say, those that are directly threatened by Wise Use policies such as labor, health, and safety groups should be involved in any campaign against the Wise Use movement."
I had no Idea that by wanting to do something like use my public land and ride my ATV that would put me in cahoot's with the Aryan Nation and the Unification Church.
That's as freaking funny as saying that ALL inviromentalist are in bed with the Peta-freak's, That every that own's a firearm will now turn into a killing machine.
And you call me paranoid? ROFLMAO

This whole thing is sooooooo funny to see how all sides can blow things so far out.
But hey, I knew I was right on about where Ithaca stands.
While I somewhat admire your dedacation, I dont agree with your whole agenda.
I see good and bad on all side's ,and the radical chit make's me laugh.

 

[Ten Bears]

Ithaca, call those "duped" by name. I don't think you have a clue.

 

[MarlandS]

There is one link I found lst night that I should have posted because I haven't found it yet today, it tells how RMEF and FNAWS contribute money to WUM's to fight legislation that would harm both..

If all my link brought out was the extremists and not the fact that hunters and environmentalist (leave the extremes out of it from both sides) should actually be one one the same most of the time , then I failed and will be forced to flood this thread with links outlining that fact.

 

[dgibson]

The point isn't lost, Mars, it's just hard to get a post in edgewise between all the fingerpointing and namecalling.

 

[RockyDog]

I cant stand to argue this issue since everyone has their minds made up. I thought id cutnpaste this though.


Logging talk alarms conservationist

By SHERRY DEVLIN of the Missoulian

Martz just wants to 'amputate,' MWA official says
Gov. Judy Martz is correct in likening forest restoration to doctoring, but she's practicing "Civil War medicine," the conservation director of the Montana Wilderness Association complained Thursday.
"She's like the Civil War doctor: Amputate, amputate, amputate," Bob Decker said. "Managing a forest is a complex problem requiring more sophistication than Governor Martz is showing. She just wants to blatantly go in there and get the logs."
Decker said he was alarmed by comments the governor made Wednesday at the Montana Wood Products Association's annual meeting, where she praised loggers as "physicians of the forest" and said logging is the prescription for healthier, more fire-resistant forests in the West.
The medical metaphor isn't bad, Decker said. "But she's acting like a Civil War doctor, and anyone who tries to simplify the solution to forest-management problems these days is off the mark, especially with regard to fire."
Nearly a century of aggressive fire suppression has left Western forests overgrown and at risk of immense, unstoppable wildfires. Martz favors a proposal outlined last week by President Bush that would emphasize logging and prohibit legal and administrative challenges that could slow the work.
Environmentalists, including Decker's Helena-based group, favor an approach that includes some logging, but also restores riparian areas, rehabilitates forest roads, treats noxious weeds and brings fire back to the landscape under tightly controlled conditions.
It's the same sort of complex prescription signed by members of the Western Governors Association during a meeting in Phoenix on June 25, Decker said. Martz is the group's chair and signed the resolution, called "Improving Forest and Rangeland Ecosystem Health in the West."
"Now Governor Martz has deserted the resolution she signed barely two months ago," Decker said. "I'd like to know why."
Martz was, in fact, asked about the governors' plan and how it jibes with the president's plan following her speech to the Wood Products Association. She said her allegiance is to the president, and she will work for passage of his initiative.
"What happened to the idea of balance?" Decker asked during a telephone call to the Missoulian on Thursday. "There is common ground we need to work at finding. And here is Gov. Martz blaming environmentalists for the fires and calling us terrorists a few short months after she invited us to the table to talk about solutions. You tell me, who's the extremist in this debate?"
Decker said there's "an entire swath of land" between Montana's roadless wilderness areas and forest subdivisions that needs restoration - including thinning.
"There is plenty of work to do," he said. "Everyone agrees there's a great swath of land that's already been roaded and that needs to be managed to minimize the fire danger and maintain a healthy forest."
"With so much truly common ground to work on, and a critical mass of people willing to work together to address the problem, why does the governor give us a prescription to amputate?" Decker asked. "And, by the way, she won't allow a second opinion.
"People look upon medicine as complex, and even frustrating. Yet where would you rather be if you had a problem - in the field with a Civil War doctor or in the office of a modern specialist? If it was your health, how would you deal with it?"

 

[Ithaca 37]

Marland, "...the fact that hunters and environmentalist (leave the extremes out of it from both sides) should actually be one one the same most of the time , then I failed and will be forced to flood this thread with links outlining that fact. "

I agree completely, but I think you're going to have to start the flood because of the way some posters here use a real derogatory tone whenever they say "environmentalist"! You think some Hunt Talkers are ever going to say they are an environmentalist?

Ten, Offhand, I'd say MD4M, Whitedeer, Elkchser, sdgunslinger have swallowed the WUM line the worst. I can't gauge how much you've been influenced by it---probably not much.

 

[Muledeer4me]

ROFLMAO at Ithaca.
Give us your wise council then Democrat Boy!!!!
There have been many many questions that have been asked of you,but you skirt them ,you spin them,you post link after link.
My thought ?
Is that you are a follower that has had the burning desire to be the leader,but havent been able to pull it off so you jump on the most PC bandwagon hoping to get your 15 min of fame LOL
I think you found it on the internet it at Hunttalk LOL

 

[Ithaca 37]

MD4M, You're really sick. You criticize me for not answering questions and then criticize me when I do. Whatsa matter--didn't like my answer to Ten Bears?

What's with the Democrat Boy name? Anyone who claims to love hunting and children as much as you do would be a fool to vote for Kempthorne. Don't tell me he has you duped as bad as the Blue Ribbon Coalition and the WUM!!

Clark Collins and his BRC have been more radical than any of the groups you criticize ever since he started. Can't you take having someone point out you've been conned? Imagine him calling people "Nature Nazis" and doing the other stuff the links document!!

Michael Furtman's article and comments really exposes the BRC for what they are!


http://pws.chartermi.net/~duluthikes/wu_hunt.htm

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[RockyDog]

hey mule, ill bet your the kind of mouthy woman that wears alot of makeup and jewelry? Whats wrong? Your daddy tell you that hunting aint hunting unless he got a road to drive?

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[Ithaca 37]

MD4M, The only thing you're consistent about is inconsistency.

" I had no Idea that by wanting to do something like use my public land and ride my ATV that would put me in cahoot's with the Aryan Nation and the Unification Church.
That's as freaking funny as saying that ALL inviromentalist are in bed with the Peta-freak's, That every that own's a firearm will now turn into a killing machine.
And you call me paranoid? ROFLMAO"

Here's what you said on 2/10/02 17:42 in the ID F&G Update topic (Last post was 3/7/02, if you wanna check):

"That really cracks me up,some folks will cozy up to anything to get the out come there pushing for.
It will be a cold day in hell before I join the alliance with the very groups that were trying to get bear baiting,hounds and other anti-hunting laws on the book."

But you don't mind being in the Wise Use Alliance with some real bad crackpots to get what you want!!

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[Ten Bears]

Easy, Easy, Easy, I'm trying to sort all this information out.

These timber nazi's need to get a life.

 

[Ithaca 37]

This is great reading! Take a look at the parts about the John Birch Society and the Sahara Club of radical dirt bike riders. Frankly, some of these wise use groups are real dangerous!

http://www.pacificsites.com/~mec/NEWSL/ISS12/12.08WUMWierdo.html

I think I'd rather take my chances with the radical environmentalists than get tangled up with some of the Aryan/Nazi/Moonie groups!

 

[Calif. Hunter]

Most of the stuff in that last link is pretty dated stuff. "More recently, David Duke..." Now how long has he been around? A lot of the stuff is dated 1982 and 1983, and the article itself seems to be at least a few years old. I mean, they talk about California's Senator being Alan Cranston. He's been gone a long time.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Cal., The copyright is 1999. I agree that some of the examples are from the late 80s, and some of the names have changed, but I don't think there have been any major changes in the wise use group's philosophies.

Anyway, the whole point I was trying to make is that there are industry funded groups fighting against environmental regulations and it pays to know who's behind some of the anti environmental BS. And many people have been duped by them!

 

[MarlandS]

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/fwt/back_issues/june98/opinion.html
On public lands, they talk multiple use but push legislation that would make grazing a dominant use. They talk property rights and county supremacy and come up with bizarre interpretations of our constitution and laws. They pose as defenders of free enterprise while they work the system to circumvent it

 

[MarlandS]

Finding all kinds of links that say the same thing about WUM's fundings.

http://www.tibet.ca/wtnarchive/1993/4/9_2.html

The "Wise Use" movement is a loose, but increasingly active,
affiliation of hunters, ranchers, miners, loggers and off-road
vehicle users supported by developers, motorcycle
manufacturers and the mining, timber and oil industries