Survivors of polygamist sect fence off 1,000 acres of US Forest Service land in southwestern Colorado

[Benfromalbuquerque]

Tell me then, what’s the unpaid tax bill since 1862? Ballpark like a trillion dollars? Actually, let’s settle up with a wagon full of gold as currency was scare in the territories.
The sheriff shouldn’t be abused like this. Maybe these people will attempt some sovereign citizen bullshit (where they claim the sheriff is the highest authority). But still, it’s bad optics to confront with overwhelming force at this time in a voting year.

 

[steveshuntn1]

Step across a corner crossing on public land and it’s your ass…fence in a thousand acres of public land and they negotiate?

 

[jls456]

Crazy people.

 

[noharleyyet]

Puzzling....the squatters' rights enigma

 

[Wrong Burgundy]

I came across this on a national archives site:

"The Homestead Act remained in effect until 1976, with provisions for homesteading in Alaska until 1986."

"Remained"? Past tense? Is it even legally recognized anymore?

Also this is interesting. So, this group has been there for 5 years? Improved the land? Paid the fees, etc.? It is all fairly crazy...

The time requirement for residence or cultivation was set at 5 years; if it was proven "after due notice" that they moved residence or abandoned the land for more than six months at a time, then the land reverted to the government. A homesteader could also pay the $1.25 (or the current rate) per acre price after proof of the less-stringent requirements set in the Preemption Act.

After filing an affidavit with the government's agent, and paying him a $10 fee, the homesteader could begin occupying their claim. The government agent received the same fee for homestead land as he would have received if that land was sold for cash, 1/2 from the homesteader's filing fee and the other half from the patent (certificate) fee. The homesteader did not get a certificate or patent until they or their heirs filed, after 5 years (but before 7 years), further affidavits from two neighbors or "credible witnesses" and an additional $8 fee. Those affidavits affirmed the 5 years of residence or cultivation and that "no part of said land has been alienated [transferred or mortgaged], and that he [the homesteader] has borne true allegiance to the Government of the United States".

If both parents died and all the children were under 21, an executor under state law could sell (for the benefit of the children, and not the estate) an absolute title to the land within two years of the parent's death. The purchaser would pay office fees for a patent to the land.

 

[Treeshark]

Anytime you see the words “polygamist sect” it’s pretty much a given there will be some hijinx will be afoot.

 

[Deleted member 53219]

I came across this on a national archives site:

"The Homestead Act remained in effect until 1976, with provisions for homesteading in Alaska until 1986."

"Remained"? Past tense? Is it even legally recognized anymore?

Also this is interesting. So, this group has been there for 5 years? Improved the land? Paid the fees, etc.? It is all fairly crazy...

The time requirement for residence or cultivation was set at 5 years; if it was proven "after due notice" that they moved residence or abandoned the land for more than six months at a time, then the land reverted to the government. A homesteader could also pay the $1.25 (or the current rate) per acre price after proof of the less-stringent requirements set in the Preemption Act.

After filing an affidavit with the government's agent, and paying him a $10 fee, the homesteader could begin occupying their claim. The government agent received the same fee for homestead land as he would have received if that land was sold for cash, 1/2 from the homesteader's filing fee and the other half from the patent (certificate) fee. The homesteader did not get a certificate or patent until they or their heirs filed, after 5 years (but before 7 years), further affidavits from two neighbors or "credible witnesses" and an additional $8 fee. Those affidavits affirmed the 5 years of residence or cultivation and that "no part of said land has been alienated [transferred or mortgaged], and that he [the homesteader] has borne true allegiance to the Government of the United States".

If both parents died and all the children were under 21, an executor under state law could sell (for the benefit of the children, and not the estate) an absolute title to the land within two years of the parent's death. The purchaser would pay office fees for a patent to the land.

It ain’t 1883 anymore

 

[Treeshark]

It ain’t 1883 anymore

That sentence seems to apply to quite a few things that are head-scratchers to other parts of the country.

 

[npaden]

Saw this surfing the Tube the other day.

Looks like they have been doing a lot more than just building fence on public land, there are a LOT of recently cut trees in the background of the video.

 

[Little Big Man MT Chris]

The stones to go fence up public, what a bunch a wack-a-do’s

 

[noharleyyet]

Saw this surfing the Tube the other day.

Looks like they have been doing a lot more than just building fence on public land, there are a LOT of recently cut trees in the background of the video.

Squatters call the sheriff on em?

 

[INMT]

Saw this surfing the Tube the other day.

Looks like they have been doing a lot more than just building fence on public land, there are a LOT of recently cut trees in the background of the video.

Cut trees and what essentially looks like a dirt road. How are these people not getting the book thrown at them?!?

 

[Little Big Man MT Chris]

Hey this reminds me , any Hunttalkers out there got some extra fence and post , I’m gonna go fence up my favorite WT spot and say I own it now !!!

 

[Oak]

An article published by the Courthouse News Service on Feb. 4 said that Pipkin left silver to pay for the counterclaim and that he and Hammon asked the judge to call them, “the man Patrick” or “the man Bryan” since their birth certificates have never been completed and are fraudulent.

They said they are the body and spirit showing up as a living man and living woman.

As far as the silver goes, they said it is “important,” and that it’s not a barter.

The silver’s importance goes back to the original Articles of Confederation, in 1777.

“We’re not asking for a remedy from the court,” they said.

Instead, the Free Land Holders create their own remedy. What’s more, they said, the silver is “tendered to the original contract and construct of the Articles of Confederation, and that’s who the land is deeded to.”

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[seeth07]

As crazy as this whole ordeal is, I find it extremely interesting. These two guys, Patrick and Byran, are clearly very intelligent and I feel like their actions here were extremely well calculated and not a random mistake

 

[Jwill]

An article published by the Courthouse News Service on Feb. 4 said that Pipkin left silver to pay for the counterclaim and that he and Hammon asked the judge to call them, “the man Patrick” or “the man Bryan” since their birth certificates have never been completed and are fraudulent.

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New plan, call ICE.

 

[NY_BLUES]

They must ideologically align with sovereign citizens somewhere. I'm in Law Enforcement and everytime we deal with sovereigns, they recall many "laws" and statues from pre-United States, such as the Articles of Confederation.
These are some wack-a-dos.

 

[Westelker]

I'm sorry - the USFS is negotiating with these people for a settlement of some kind? Can someone please explain to me what exactly is going on here, I read the article several times and feel like I'm missing a big piece of the puzzle. How are these people getting away with this??

Punky Freak is correct

 

[texwest44]

Punky Freak is correct

That, uh, really doesn't seem like an accurate assessment of what was happening. Also, have there been any updates on what was going on with this? I never saw much in the way of follow-ups.