Social security by the numbers

[SAJ-99]

Does it also come down to some of the poor choices we make as americans?

High consumption of high calorie and low nutrient meals, nicotine, alcohol.... just to name a few things that might move the needle.

Probably starts with obesity rates, which are a reflection of lifestyle and food choices.

 

[Nick87]

The 3 year dip can be explained, but what cant be is that Canadians for example live 3 years longer than U.S. Citizens and pay about half in health spending.

Nobody likes talking about that kind of stuff, the 3 year dip is the shiny thing.

Wasn't arguing the comparison to other countries. Was referring to the fact that the graph is climbing overall in life expectancy.

 

[406dn]

Wasn't arguing the comparison to other countries. Was referring to the fact that the graph is climbing overall in life expectancy.

This increase can largely be attributed to preventing deaths on the front end of life, not so much extending the length on the back end.

Every one year old child that beats cancer and then lives to be...lets say 50, moves the needle of life expectancy far more significantly than getting one 80 year old person to live to 85. All of the childhood vaccinations have reduced the childhood mortality rates. Every child saved at age three, and lives to age 80 moves the needle as much as 77 79 year olds, having their lives extended to 80.

 

[Nick87]

This increase can largely be attributed to preventing deaths on the front end of life, not so much extending the length on the back end.

Every one year old child that beats cancer and then lives to be...lets say 50, moves the needle of life expectancy far more significantly than getting one 80 year old person to live to 85. All of the childhood vaccinations have reduced the childhood mortality rates. Every child saved at age three, and lives to age 80 moves the needle as much as 77 79 year olds, having their lives extended to 80.

I don't disagree with that, but are you saying that the average age of people living is becoming lower overall over the last, say 20 or 50 years? I don't think anyone is going to argue people are less healthy now than they've ever been. But are they actually dying sooner overall?

 

[406dn]

I don't disagree with that, but are you saying that the average age of people living is becoming lower overall over the last, say 20 or 50 years? I don't think anyone is going to argue people are less healthy now than they've ever been. But are they actually dying sooner overall?

No, I am not saying that. I'm saying that most of the average life expectancy gains are from improving the mortality rates of infants and children.

It is evident by statistics and general observation that most of our population could benefit from more exercise and eating better. The problem is actually making that happen.

 

[Nick87]

No, I am not saying that. I'm saying that most of the average life expectancy gains are from improving the mortality rates of infants and children.

It is evident by statistics and general observation that most of our population could benefit from more exercise and eating better. The problem is actually making that happen.

Thanks.

 

[cgasner1]

We're #1...in medical bankruptcy

United States 66.5%
Canada 19%
Australia 10%
United Kingdom 8.2%

I watched a video this week of a guy talking to an ambulance company in California. His first bill was 600 dollars and they didn’t have his insurance. His second bill was 1300 with his insurance. He said the state passed a law to help people without insurance so the could charge him the 600 but since he had insurance he was out of luck and it was 1300. We could have a entire different talk about the medical scam

 

[Treeshark]

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

Apparently you haven't spent much time around the good people of Canada.

US Obesity rate in adults = 42.74%
CA obesity rate in adults = 26.73%

US obesity rate in children = 20.54%
CA obesity rate in children = 10.89%

US and CA health care costs, availability, and effectiveness are a function of how their citizens take care of themselves.

 

[BrentD]

US Obesity rate in adults = 42.74%
CA obesity rate in adults = 26.73%

US obesity rate in children = 20.54%
CA obesity rate in children = 10.89%

US and CA health care costs, availability, and effectiveness are a function of how their citizens take care of themselves.

There is quite a bit more to health care costs than that

 

[Gulf of America]

There is quite a bit more to health care costs than that

Agreed. Pretending that universal healthcare isn’t part of the equation just isn’t a good faith argument.

But it’s impossible to separate it from the statistics Wyo mentioned. In a socialized system, there’s far more incentive to promote good health and lower the costs that everyone is sharing, vs a capitalist healthcare system hugely profiting off America’s poor health.

 

[WildWill]

There is quite a bit more to health care costs than that

There definitely is but that dosen't mean his point isn't valid.

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

There definitely is but that dosen't mean his point isn't valid.

He knows that but he like so many others want to ignore the 42.7% elephant in the room. He wants to believe that if we just had single payer, gov funded healthcare then all would be great. Similar to what we heard when the ACA was rolled out. The underlying problem is what the average US citizen eats. If this isn't corrected the rest is all just window dressing. IMO.

 

[BrentD]

He knows that but he like so many others want to ignore the 42.7% elephant in the room. He wants to believe that if we just had single payer, gov funded healthcare then all would be great. Similar to what we heard when the ACA was rolled out. The underlying problem is what the average US citizen eats. If this isn't corrected the rest is all just window dressing. IMO.

No, the elephant is the form of insurance we have. It is beyond stupid.

 

[Wyhunter]

US Obesity rate in adults = 42.74%
CA obesity rate in adults = 26.73%

US obesity rate in children = 20.54%
CA obesity rate in children = 10.89%

US and CA health care costs, availability, and effectiveness are a function of how their citizens take care of themselves.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of fat ass people out there, but they calculate this off of BMI. BMI is one of the absolute worst systems in place. It doesn't account for muscle mass. For example, my BMI is 33, but my dexascan is 21-22% body fat%.... still fat, but not obese. My doctor lables me as obese because she has to based on the bmi (her words).

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of fat ass people out there, but they calculate this off of BMI. BMI is one of the absolute worst systems in place. It doesn't account for muscle mass. For example, my BMI is 33, but my dexascan is 21-22% body fat%.... still fat, but not obese. My doctor lables me as obese because she has to based on the bmi (her words).

bmi calc in CA would be the same, other than they use weak ass metric system. Damn near twice as many fatties or as so many of us with a high BMI like to say, "big boned", in the US. What a person consumes has a greater influence on life expectancy and healthcare costs than the manner in which it is paid for. IMO

 

[cgasner1]

No, the elephant is the form of insurance we have. It is beyond stupid.

I’d actually have to agree with you on this. When you look at what we get charged for a band aid or a bag of salenne it should be criminal

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

No, the elephant is the form of insurance we have. It is beyond stupid.

I dont disagree with the stupidity of the US insurance system. However, what a person consumes has a far greater influence on life expectancy and healthcare costs than the manner in which we pay for healthcare. Work on that and the rest will seem like a minor annoyance, IMO.

 

[longbow51]

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The SS problem may self-correct. I hope not, but the data is not looking good.

 

[Nick87]

I dont disagree with the stupidity of the US insurance system. However, what a person consumes has a far greater influence on life expectancy and healthcare costs than the manner in which we pay for healthcare. Work on that and the rest will seem like a minor annoyance, IMO.

Probably equal parts depending on the situation/person.