Ten Bears
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Nothing wrong with riding easy and sharing the trails.
Sharing the Trails
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Nothing wrong with riding easy and sharing the trails.
BuzzH
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If I knew there was 50 mountain bikers coming down the road...I would have found a different road to travel that day.
I guess that simple thought escaped the fat-assed atvers.
I guess that simple thought escaped the fat-assed atvers.
noharleyyet
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Well that didn't take long. How ya been Buzz?
How ya been Buzz? cjcj
New member
Buzz what if it was a road you needed [the only one for access?]...please share Buzz.. can`t we all get along?
BuzzH
Well-known member
cjcj, you dont think with advance knowledge of 50 bikers in the road ahead of you that you wouldnt consider riding on a few of the remaining 380,000 open miles of roads on NF lands in the U.S.? Maybe coming back another day?
Then the dimwits have the nerve to act surprised that they arent well received by the non-motorized recreationists that outnumber them 10-1?
Gee, I wonder why they're getting the bad rap they deserve and more and more areas are off-limits to them?
As to your question, even it was the only access into the area...I'd come back another day or at least wait an hour or so for the remaining bikers...it isnt rocket science.
I respect others and I've avoided hunting areas when I've seen others have gotten there first. I've also approached other hunters and asked where they intend to hunt so I can avoid them and let them have a quality experience rather than be bumping into each other all day.
The fat-ass in this article thinks he's a hero because he only pissed off 10 percent...when he could have pissed off none of them.
Another nail in the ATV coffin...good going bonehead.
Then the dimwits have the nerve to act surprised that they arent well received by the non-motorized recreationists that outnumber them 10-1?
Gee, I wonder why they're getting the bad rap they deserve and more and more areas are off-limits to them?
As to your question, even it was the only access into the area...I'd come back another day or at least wait an hour or so for the remaining bikers...it isnt rocket science.
I respect others and I've avoided hunting areas when I've seen others have gotten there first. I've also approached other hunters and asked where they intend to hunt so I can avoid them and let them have a quality experience rather than be bumping into each other all day.
The fat-ass in this article thinks he's a hero because he only pissed off 10 percent...when he could have pissed off none of them.
Another nail in the ATV coffin...good going bonehead.
Washington Hunter
Well-known member
It was an area open to ATV's and therefore they had just as much right to be there as the mountain bikers did. From the sounds of it, it really wasn't a problem. I don't see how the people on the mountain bikes had any less of a "quality experience" because they rode past a couple of ATV's. If the sound of a motor is so disastrous to a quality experience for a mountain biker, why did they choose to ride in an area that is open to motorized vehicles??? Am I missing something?
LOL WH...
Your not missing any thing...
A lot of the bicycle people are pretty rude any way, they want all the trappings of what the motorized vehicles have, but don't want to pay the taxes on them.
You see these same sort of people out on the road in force, they plug up the road with 20-100 bicycles and then look on at all the people in cars with disdain as they plug up the road ways because they "feel" they have a right...
Your not missing any thing...
A lot of the bicycle people are pretty rude any way, they want all the trappings of what the motorized vehicles have, but don't want to pay the taxes on them.
You see these same sort of people out on the road in force, they plug up the road with 20-100 bicycles and then look on at all the people in cars with disdain as they plug up the road ways because they "feel" they have a right...
elkchsr- How many atvers buy their licenses and register their vehicle every year. I would guess there are more licensed bicycles than atvs.
WH- You're right, they had a right to be there. That still doesn't account for the intelligence to wait to unload or use another road while 50 bicycles come roaming down a road. I've had a similar experience (only I was in a vehicle). I turned around and went into a similar area out of the path of the bikes. I thought it sound judgment that just because I had the "right" to be on the road, for my safety as well as the riders safety, I went to another area. (I also didn't have to get in their way, they didn't get in my way).
WH- You're right, they had a right to be there. That still doesn't account for the intelligence to wait to unload or use another road while 50 bicycles come roaming down a road. I've had a similar experience (only I was in a vehicle). I turned around and went into a similar area out of the path of the bikes. I thought it sound judgment that just because I had the "right" to be on the road, for my safety as well as the riders safety, I went to another area. (I also didn't have to get in their way, they didn't get in my way).
Bambistew
Well-known member
Since when do you have to license a bike?
What would you guys say if it was the other way around? The ATV's were there first and along comes a troop of 50 bikers... Should the ATV'ers leave the trail or should the bikes find another place to ride?
I've found that mountain bikers can't read signs either... I've seen bike tracks way up in the wilderness before on main trails! They don't cause the amount of destruction, but they still break the laws. Around here they ride around on em like crack heads...
What would you guys say if it was the other way around? The ATV's were there first and along comes a troop of 50 bikers... Should the ATV'ers leave the trail or should the bikes find another place to ride?
I've found that mountain bikers can't read signs either... I've seen bike tracks way up in the wilderness before on main trails! They don't cause the amount of destruction, but they still break the laws. Around here they ride around on em like crack heads...
I would agree with Bambi there Matt...
And I would put money up on it if you were talking of some of the other states, such as this one for example with more bicycles registerd than ATV's...
I would guess that the dollar amount from most every state, ceptin Kalifornia, would bring in far more revenue from motorized any thing than they would for bicycles...
I would like to see where you could possibly get your information to make base to such a claim... That would be extremely interesting for sure...
And I would put money up on it if you were talking of some of the other states, such as this one for example with more bicycles registerd than ATV's...
I would guess that the dollar amount from most every state, ceptin Kalifornia, would bring in far more revenue from motorized any thing than they would for bicycles...
I would like to see where you could possibly get your information to make base to such a claim... That would be extremely interesting for sure...
Ten Bears
New member
Saying that the ATV riders should have gone somewhere else to ride is like telling me I need to fish somewhere else when they have a bass tourney on the lakes during the weekends around here. It doesn't make sense at all. The road is open for ATV and bicycle travel, and they coexisted easily enough.
Just another nail in BUZZy's head.
Just another nail in BUZZy's head.
Washington Hunter
Well-known member
MattK said:
Licensed bicycles???
Never heard of such a thing.Matt it's wonderful that you're willing to give up the use of a road so somebody else may have it all to themselves. But what are you going to do if every road has some sort of traffic on it...go home??? You know, I would like it if they shut the freeway down from 7:30 to 8:00 a.m. for everybody except me, so that I may have it all to myself when I drive to work.
All I know is it's a good thing you live in Montana. If you lived here you would never be able to spend any time in the outdoors, as you would have a hard time finding a place to go where you would not see another human.WH- I'm glad I live here also. It is one of the benefits I have found living here. If it is a casual use of the road, no big deal. I will "co-exist" with a few bike riders going up and down a road I am driving (in the woods). If a tour group of 50 riders are on a two tire logging road in the woods, I would find alternate roads. You can not seriously think this is the only road in the area this person was riding...be serious. If it is a main road into an area I will lay odds it isn't "(an old two track logging road)". If it is a main road, no problem, there's plenty of room for everyone.
WH- Bike licenses are required on city streets here...
Any person who operates a bicycle within the city limits needs to purchase a city bicycle license. Bike licenses are issued to protect the owner of the bike. You can receive a fine for riding an unlicensed bike within the city limits. If your bike is stolen of lost and recovered, you have a greater chance of getting it back if you have licensed it.
Bike Licenses are good for four (4) years and can be obtained three (3) different places. You can purchase a license at the time of sale of your new bike from the merchant. The second place is at the University of Montana's Security Information office. The third place is at the City Finance office in City Hall. in order to renew your bike license you need to have the original information.
The following information is required at the time of licensing:
1) Bike serial number
2) Brand of bike & Model
3) Mail color/trim color
4) Frame size & Wheel size
5) Style of bike
6) Other identifying features
Mopeds with an engine size of 3.05 cubic inches which does not exceed 30 mph must have a bike license. In order to obtain a bike license for a moped you must have a valid driver's license.
The license stays with the bike. If you sell or trade your bike you need to complete the Transfer Ownership section on your original Bike License Form.
If you purchase your license at the City Finance office the fee schedule is as follows:
1) $5.00 Child (wheel size 24" or less)
2) $10.00 Adult
3) $15.00 Family (all bikes registered at the same time)
4) $5.00 Child/Adult renewal fee
5) $10.00 Family renewal fee
These fees are subject to change.
Any person who operates a bicycle within the city limits needs to purchase a city bicycle license. Bike licenses are issued to protect the owner of the bike. You can receive a fine for riding an unlicensed bike within the city limits. If your bike is stolen of lost and recovered, you have a greater chance of getting it back if you have licensed it.
Bike Licenses are good for four (4) years and can be obtained three (3) different places. You can purchase a license at the time of sale of your new bike from the merchant. The second place is at the University of Montana's Security Information office. The third place is at the City Finance office in City Hall. in order to renew your bike license you need to have the original information.
The following information is required at the time of licensing:
1) Bike serial number
2) Brand of bike & Model
3) Mail color/trim color
4) Frame size & Wheel size
5) Style of bike
6) Other identifying features
Mopeds with an engine size of 3.05 cubic inches which does not exceed 30 mph must have a bike license. In order to obtain a bike license for a moped you must have a valid driver's license.
The license stays with the bike. If you sell or trade your bike you need to complete the Transfer Ownership section on your original Bike License Form.
If you purchase your license at the City Finance office the fee schedule is as follows:
1) $5.00 Child (wheel size 24" or less)
2) $10.00 Adult
3) $15.00 Family (all bikes registered at the same time)
4) $5.00 Child/Adult renewal fee
5) $10.00 Family renewal fee
These fees are subject to change.
That is great information Matt... Thanks...
Now for the big one...
What is the Revenue that is brought in for any thing larger than you mentioned, seeing as all of the ATV's in Montana that will be off private property must be licenced and street legal...
Now for the big one...
What is the Revenue that is brought in for any thing larger than you mentioned, seeing as all of the ATV's in Montana that will be off private property must be licenced and street legal...
Washington Hunter
Well-known member
I think that's ridiculous. I just don't see the need to license bicycles. What is the point? I don't get it.
Curly
Member
Washington Hunter said:I think that's ridiculous. I just don't see the need to license bicycles. What is the point? I don't get it.
It's just another way for the City to make money off of its citizens and provide little in return, I'm sure. But, maybe they provide bike lanes........in which case licensing bikes would be a good way to help pay for the bike lanes. Matt will have to tell us what he gets for the money spent on licensing his bike.
Washington Hunter
Well-known member
We're talking about mountain bikers here anyway. Not really the same as riding a bicycle in the city.
Ten Bears
New member
MATTy, how many ATV licenses are sold in MT each year? How many bicycles are licensed in Misserable-a-zoola in a year? BTW, last years information would suffice, if you can't get that any recent year should suffice. Where does the money from the bicycle licenses go, and how does being required to buy a city bicycle license have anything to do with riding a bicycle on a mountain road or sharing that road with others?
Here in Idaho, you know where the incident occurred, ATV sticker money is used for motorized and nonmotorized vehicle access and maintenance costs (so says that defartment of parks and recreation), but bicyclers aren't required to pay anything. In a sense, you'd think that the "welfare bicyclers" would be a little more appreciative of those that pay for their recreation.
Here in Idaho, you know where the incident occurred, ATV sticker money is used for motorized and nonmotorized vehicle access and maintenance costs (so says that defartment of parks and recreation), but bicyclers aren't required to pay anything. In a sense, you'd think that the "welfare bicyclers" would be a little more appreciative of those that pay for their recreation.
