Selling BLM?

[JoseCuervo]

MD,

In no way have I ever questioned the hard work of a Welfare Rancher's wife. I agree 100% that most of them are tougher than nails, and could probably work me into the ground, but it is not because she is a Welfare Rancher but because she is in the ranching life.

Please don't make the mistake of thinking that ranching is evil. I love ranching. I love owning cows. I love wearing products made of leather.

It is Welfare Ranching that is the problem. And while I know there is a human side to the story, it is no more compelling than the 1000 people laid off at Micron, nor the 70 teachers about to be laid off in the Boise Schools. Or the people in Oregon, who have the highest unemployment in the US. Or the hardworking people of Arab descent who can't get jobs in crop dusting.

There are a "million stories in the city", and everybody has a sad tale.

The Welfare Rancher's tale is not overly compelling. Keep in mind, many of them are so damn rich, they are unable to pass their ranch on to their kids. Their "human side" does not make it ok for them to destroy the land.

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[dgibson]

Hmmm. Elkgunner, you are treading very close to the region of "Making Sense."

MD, what's the name/author of your book? I'll see if I can get a copy locally before I make you mail your one-and-only to me.

 

[Muledeer4me]

"Please don't make the mistake of thinking that ranching is evil. I love ranching. I love owning cows. I love wearing products made of leather."

Elkgunner,It's not me that is making the mistake in thinking that ranching is evil.
To that all one needs to do is read anything Ithaca post's.


"It is Welfare Ranching that is the problem. And while I know there is a human side to the story, it is no more compelling than the 1000 people laid off at Micron, nor the 70 teachers about to be laid off in the Boise Schools. Or the people in Oregon, who have the highest unemployment in the US. Or the hardworking people of Arab descent who can't get jobs in crop dusting."

I agree it's no more compelling then many other people that are out of work because of the screwed up way some of the radical environmental greenie's think ,and the fact that other country's are getting our business's to move there because of cheaper labor,less restrictive environmental law's and less crap law suite's meant to only stall and break people down.
There is a fine line between finding better ways of doing something and putting people out of business because the green factor view's any use of our public lands as a bad thing.(other then there own view of what use should be allowed)
Not only public land's but it spill's over to the private sector as well.
I also dont think it can be looked at as only one problem.
It needs to be looked at in the same way the radical green groups are seeing it---------one step at a time in getting most use stopped.
If anyone want's to believe that there way of using public land's wont be comming under attack by these group's ,more power to them.
I dont share that view.
How many other so called "welfare" programs will be comming under attack?
Don't we also subsidize Agriclture?
How many farmer's should we kick off the subsidized "welfare roll" After all how many animals are being killed or displaced by all these nasty welfare farmer's that are now only growing crop's?

What can we get along without?

How much control do we want to give up to some of these nut-case /inviro group's?

I dont share the all or nothing view point of those that want to stop all public land grazing.

 

[1_pointer]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> The differnece would be that NO Treehugging greenie I ever met could even hope to keep up with even the oldest of the ranching women I have know and the work they do while helping to keep the (welfare ranch going).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Haven't seen too many rancher's wives in Adventure Races?

(bad joke)

Rancher's are one piece of the pie, but they're not the whole thing. Discounting environmental interests for the last 40 years to make a buck has gotten them in the current situation. There ARE ways of making both sides happy, but often both sides are so stuck to their ideals they can't give in to anything for fear of the other side 'winning'.

 

[Ithaca 37]

MD4M, How many times do I have to ask you not to lie about me? "To that all one needs to do is read anything Ithaca post's." I have nothing at all against non welfare ranchers. They're on their own land. Most of them are real good stewards of their own land---probably great.

Here's where you admitted you are a liar in the "Judge is Tired" topic.

""Ithaca,I ran into one of your buddies that was out collection signiture I told him I was going to sign, but I know this (Ithaca)guy and he knows everything and he told me not to sign it because it was a load of crap The guy about fell over and said (Ithaca) told you that? I just said yep and walked away." 04-15-2003 08:31

Anyone who would brag about telling a lie is a real lowlife!

 

[Muledeer4me]

'Haven't seen too many rancher's wives in Adventure Races? "(bad joke)


LOL 1pointer,I liked it.
You got me on that one

["Here's where you admitted you are a liar in the "Judge is Tired" topic.

""Ithaca,I ran into one of your buddies that was out collection signiture I told him I was going to sign, but I know this (Ithaca)guy and he knows everything and he told me not to sign it because it was a load of crap The guy about fell over and said (Ithaca) told you that? I just said yep and walked away." 04-15-2003 08:31

Anyone who would brag about telling a lie is a real lowlife!"]

ROFLMAO,Ithaca that's a piss poor excuse for calling me a liar.
But comming from someone like you that HAS NO SENSE OF HUMOR,I can see where in your limited view that was a lie and worth what? A whole bar of soap in the mouth.
LOL

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