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I would say the second worst thing you could do is admit to breaking the law?The worst thing you can do is to post on a hunting forum with a misinterpretation of state law regarding trespass and private property rights, potentially advising young inexperienced hunters with erroneous information which may very well create conflicts.
You are right in that. It was my bad! No excuse. For whatever worth, self-flogging for thirty years since that lesson learned the hard way. (My rationale at the time was that I was certain the landowner would have allowed retrieval, but the ranchhand forbid me from asking. 'Skewed rationale.)I would say the second worst thing you could do is admit to breaking the law?
You were told no, and still went ahead and trespassed? Damn, I lost a lot of respect for you.
BTW, it has also motivated me to study trespass and property rights laws and regulations.I would say the second worst thing you could do is admit to breaking the law?
Curious if anyone has had issues with dying animals running onto private and the landowner not letting you retrieve it.
Heard of this in the breaks but don't have any first hand accounts.
Think this is certainly a way bigger problem with archery.We hunt near property lines a lot, always use more gun and bullet than necessary in those instances, hasn’t been a problem in rifle season. In fact like half the videos/photos I have you will see a property line fence in it. Archery is a whole different story, in the last 8 years it’s happened 4 times on bulls I called in for friends in a checkerboarded areas we hunt. 2 of the bulls were recovered with landowner/outfitter permission, one was dead in sight 212 yards past the fence, we got told to pound sand, landowner told the GW to pound sand as well and not to enter her property without a warrant. One was never found and likely never died as we searched for 2 days with landowner and their dogs, blood was marginal at best from the beginning, which was strange because shot looked perfect in the video minus good penetration (1/2 shaft). Watch for that shoulder if they are quartering with that front leg set back, it’s further back than you would think, 80lb Matthew’s at 27 yards. Guy sold his bow and hasn’t archery hunted since. My advise is take video with your phone, in all those instances there was zero doubt we shot them on public as we had blood and video proof.
I was more of curious of situations simply happening. I have to admit though - depending on the area - a lot of the game are concentrated on private because it holds the water. And the grass left on public is non-existant because of the hand out level grazing fees... i get pissed when i think about the grazing fees and how little people pay to rape the public land with their cattle.As a property owner I don’t take kindly to trespassing, either myself or others! Many have wrote that they hunt property boundaries, to that I say you’re opening yourselves to this very issue. WHY! Hunting is Ethics, conservation.
The amount of grass left has nothing to do with the fee.Think this is certainly a way bigger problem with archery.
Good ethical shots and not pushing boundaries, especially in archery, means a lot.
I was more of curious of situations simply happening. I have to admit though - depending on the area - a lot of the game are concentrated on private because it holds the water. And the grass left on public is non-existant because of the hand out level grazing fees... i get pissed when i think about the grazing fees and how little people pay to rape the public land with their cattle.
Agreed. But I'm completely okay with someone retrieving an animal. I just want to know about it. Nothing pisses me off more than finding out during or after the act.As a property owner I don’t take kindly to trespassing, either myself or others! Many have wrote that they hunt property boundaries, to that I say you’re opening yourselves to this very issue. WHY! Hunting is Ethics, conservation.
If it was market rate a lot of it would go unleased.The amount of grass left has nothing to do with the fee.
Market rate is a price that a lot would not pay? Is that some kind of modern economic theory?If it was market rate a lot of it would go unleased.
Id lease it for 1.25 per head per month. Rancher welfare.
If grazing fees on public were close to what they are on private (what im referring to as market), do you think as many people would stay in the cattle business?Market rate is a price that a lot would not pay? Is that some kind of modern economic theory?
Not when you can only run stock on it for 3-4 months out of the year.If it was market rate a lot of it would go unleased.
Id lease it for 1.25 per head per month. Rancher welfare.
Not when you can only run stock on it for 3-4 months out of the year.