Relax, Everything is Going to be Okay!

[Gulf of America]

How is legal use of the system abuse? It sounds to me like your problem is with the people that writethe laws that allow that to happen. You obviously never pull the lever for an incumbent, as that would be ironic.

I know how cults work so I'm not going to waste my effort trying to convince the members of anything. I hope your erroneous assumptions about the effects of this haphazard "efficiency" don't come back to bite you in the ass.

 

[noharleyyet]

I know how cults work so I'm not going to waste my effort trying to convince the members of anything. I hope your erroneous assumptions about the effects of this haphazard "efficiency" don't come back to bite you in the ass.

Anecdotal...

 

[BigHornRam]

I know how cults work so I'm not going to waste my effort trying to convince the members of anything. I hope your erroneous assumptions about the effects of this haphazard "efficiency" don't come back to bite you in the ass.

 

[dranrab]

I know how cults work so I'm not going to waste my effort trying to convince the members of anything. I hope your erroneous assumptions about the effects of this haphazard "efficiency" don't come back to bite you in the ass.

Nothing says checkmate quite like someone refusing to substantiate an assertion they make.

 

[Bighorner]

Let me know if I am wrong, but a fair percent of seasonal workers go on unemployment as job attached through the winter if they aren't in school?

And that's all seasonal job attached not just the one who got cut.

And I agree 100% that going at the system with a hatched will no doubt have serious and lasting consequences.

The majority of the trails I see getting cleared in my neck of the woods are done by outfitters. I'm sure the campgrounds are a different story, but those are generally staffed by non FS "camp hosts" and the outhouse are pumped by contractors. I know I had enough wet springs as a wildland fire fighter a week of clearing trails would have been a good use of my time.

Of the ones let go, some will find better more stable jobs, so will get rehired though the federal preference system. It sucks, but they do have some protections and could be worse off. I would be pissed too and they have every right. But deal all the way around.

 

[JDH]

How is legal use of the system abuse? It sounds to me like your problem is with the people that writethe laws that allow that to happen. You obviously never pull the lever for an incumbent, as that would be ironic.

This is a complete tangent but I can't believe the Democrats weren't jumping up and down about how the tax cuts from Trump's last term will actually affect the lower income brackets in a few years. Seems like that could've swayed a few votes.

 

[trackerbacker]

I wanted to stay out of this thread, but this comment got me curious. What the hell does a K1 have to do with this discussion? Just curious where you were going with that argument.

What did my age have to do with it?

I'm not sure if @Forkyfinder went on to his point, if I proved his point, or if the airplane went over my, yours or our heads

 

[JDH]

Do you still live in Iowa? Look out your window, where we’ve let nature, nature. it’s full of emerald ash borers, Japanese knotweed, and garlic mustard. The creeks are a straight canal lined with flood mitigation dikes and our “prairies”have more miles of tile then all of the roads in the state combined. Our drinking water wells have nitrates so high that our cancer rate is #1 in the world. Our biggest state forest doesn’t have a tree older than 75 years. But let’s let nature, nature.

And has far as .gov employees making more than their private counterparts for half the work, thanks for making me spit my coffee out laughing so hard.

My wife used to work for the fed govt and I would say 75% of the people she worked with worked just as hard as the private sector. Obviously there were a few people slacking. That's what bugs me the most about these layoffs-instead of a knee jerk executive order, why can't they make it easier to get rid of the slackers? They have higher salaries than the probationary people anyway.

A big difference is that the gov people couldn't get authorized for OT to do the extra work. They were asked to "flex" their hours but never had to time to take off. A lot of people in her department left years ago because of this. They were literally not given enough time to do the amount of work they have to do.

And she just interviewed one person that currently works for the govt and the salaries were pretty close. The govt salary was less then $2,000 higher than my wife's budget.

 

[LuketheDog]

Another is a plumber that owns his own business and just yesterday remarked that things have already slowed WAY down. He's already shifted from new construction to making house calls again.

Tell him to come to the Front Range in Colorado, if he's any good he'll be making six figures and have more work than he wants for the foreseeable future...

 

[BigHornRam]

This is a complete tangent but I can't believe the Democrats weren't jumping up and down about how the tax cuts from Trump's last term will actually affect the lower income brackets in a few years. Seems like that could've swayed a few votes.

Elaborate.

 

[dranrab]

This is a complete tangent but I can't believe the Democrats weren't jumping up and down about how the tax cuts from Trump's last term will actually affect the lower income brackets in a few years. Seems like that could've swayed a few votes.

In 2022 wage earners who made less than 50K paid an average of $1850 in federal taxes. What was that figure before Trump changed the tax code?

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2025 Update

New IRS data shows the US federal income tax system continues to be progressive as high-income taxpayers pay the highest average income tax rates. Average tax rates for all income groups remain lower after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA).

taxfoundation.org

 

[SAJ-99]

What did my age have to do with it?

I'm not sure if @Forkyfinder went on to his point, if I proved his point, or if the airplane went over my, yours or our heads

Nothing, I agree. There are a ton of people of various ages on here arguing they know best.

 

[Forkyfinder]

What did my age have to do with it?

I'm not sure if @Forkyfinder went on to his point, if I proved his point, or if the airplane went over my, yours or our heads

I was just curious. Isnt real relevant to be honest

 

[JDH]

Elaborate.

I am barely literate about taxes so I could be wrong but;
"households with incomes in the top 1 percent will receive an average tax cut of more than $60,000 in 2025, compared to an average tax cut of less than $500 for households in the bottom 60 percent, according to the Tax Policy Center (TPC).[1] As a share of after-tax income, tax cuts at the top — for both households in the top 1 percent and the top 5 percent — are more than triple the total value of the tax cuts received for people with incomes in the bottom 60 percent".
There's cuts in certain brackets but by 2027 the poorest 20% will have a tax increase.

Impact of the final GOP-Trump Tax Bill in 2027 Look at the second part of Table 1.

 

[JDH]

In 2022 wage earners who made less than 50K paid an average of $1850 in federal taxes. What was that figure before Trump changed the tax code?

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2025 Update

New IRS data shows the US federal income tax system continues to be progressive as high-income taxpayers pay the highest average income tax rates. Average tax rates for all income groups remain lower after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA).

taxfoundation.org

2027 is when everything fully goes into effect. See my last post.

 

[trackerbacker]

Which positions from an interdisciplinary team would you cut and why?

I'm making leaps, assumptions and presumptions here...

But, seems any civil engineer could do it solely, maybe with a ti-84+ if his phones in the other room.

How much study do you need for a trail? Reason I ask is-

Let's presume hiking is allowed. And 1000 people will hike. About 7% of the population bikes (100% think they bike like lance ..). 7% x 1000 people + 3%YoY growth in the bike audience.

Can the 2 acres. 20 acres. 200 acres. 2000 acres. 20,000 acres handle the 7%+3%YoY growth at 100% occupancy rating? At 75%? And 25%?

Ok. Part 1 done.

Part 2- impacts. Well. More people. Marginally. Which translate into (checks database) yup, .001928194% correction factor for depreciating impact on land per thousand visits.

Ok done. Part 3- we crossing water on the trail? No go to part 4, yes go to part 3b.

Part 3b- how deep is the water?

Part 4-fire the other 10 guys it took to deduce Y/N on the "extra impact".

7 years, 4 months, 13 days later, 6 people attending the ribbon cutting. 2 more on average a month utilize the resource additionally on the current system. $472k paid in direct or indirect costs, separate of co

15 minutes on my system.

Meet in the middle, fire them all, 3 month max permit process + 3 month intermission on failed permits between reapply. Seems simple, sweet. The simple suite of products of you will.

Yes this is sarcasm. Yes you don't need all the experts, 1 or 2, again 3 max. Maybe a 4th for structural items..but he could probably do 1 or 2 or 3s job, so again. 3 max.

Hell> now hiring- civil engineer with focus/experience in biology settings. Similarly, given they are probably 2 of the highest degree selections known to mankind, id wager finding an individual with a biology degree and civil engineering degree is pretty hard at 3/10 college graduates, considering theyll be working a pretty easy calculation slightly harder than Pythagorean regarding if an ecosystem can sustain another 15-20 people every 15-20 days..

 

[trackerbacker]

Tell him to come to the Front Range in Colorado, if he's any good he'll be making six figures and have more work than he wants for the foreseeable future...

Impossible, the president fired people and new construction starts are way down!

Quick, short the stocks, crash coming!

 

[Forkyfinder]

I'm making leaps, assumptions and presumptions here...

But, seems any civil engineer could do it solely, maybe with a ti-84+ if his phones in the other room.

How much study do you need for a trail? Reason I ask is-

Let's presume hiking is allowed. And 1000 people will hike. About 7% of the population bikes (100% think they bike like lance ..). 7% x 1000 people + 3%YoY growth in the bike audience.

Can the 2 acres. 20 acres. 200 acres. 2000 acres. 20,000 acres handle the 7%+3%YoY growth at 100% occupancy rating? At 75%? And 25%?

Ok. Part 1 done.

Part 2- impacts. Well. More people. Marginally. Which translate into (checks database) yup, .001928194% correction factor for depreciating impact on land per thousand visits.

Ok done. Part 3- we crossing water on the trail? No go to part 4, yes go to part 3b.

Part 3b- how deep is the water?

Part 4-fire the other 10 guys it took to deduce Y/N on the "extra impact".

7 years, 4 months, 13 days later, 6 people attending the ribbon cutting. 2 more on average a month utilize the resource additionally on the current system. $472k paid in direct or indirect costs, separate of co

15 minutes on my system.

Meet in the middle, fire them all, 3 month max permit process + 3 month intermission on failed permits between reapply. Seems simple, sweet. The simple suite of products of you will.

Yes this is sarcasm. Yes you don't need all the experts, 1 or 2, again 3 max. Maybe a 4th for structural items..but he could probably do 1 or 2 or 3s job, so again. 3 max.

Hell> now hiring- civil engineer with focus/experience in biology settings. Similarly, given they are probably 2 of the highest degree selections known to mankind, id wager finding an individual with a biology degree and civil engineering degree is pretty hard at 3/10 college graduates, considering theyll be working a pretty easy calculation slightly harder than Pythagorean regarding if an ecosystem can sustain another 15-20 people every 15-20 days..

 

[Treeshark]

Allowing the inmates ample runway to achieve self-immolation, burning up @dranrab thread in the process.

Well played, @Big Fin.

 

[Big Fin]

Allowing the inmates ample runway to achieve self-immolation, burning up Mr. Barnard’s thread in the process.

Well played, @Big Fin.

I'm slow this morning. Please explain in language I will understand.