recession?

[schmalts]

The first segue into this area was when someone made the completely inaccurate assertion that Obama led us into a recession, when in fact the market soared up during his administration.

Then some folks cherry picked a tiny time period of decline at the beginning of Obama's term totally forgetting that he was handed that by the Bush administration.

And now we are supposed to accept that the recovering economy with strong metrics all over the place that Trump inherited is to be ignored while Trumps DIRECT actions are creating a crisis for the economy and sending it down--a direction that CEO's, economists, and nearly everyone who doesn't get drunk on MAGA Kool Aid every day agrees is disastrous for the country.

I will agree with anyone who says the economy isn't gone yet, if only the administration would drastically change course.The faith that someone charge would do that would be high if it weren't for the unique mental disorder the president suffers from, the inability to admit wrongdoing--and (so far) the inability of all his followers to challenge him.

The economy isn't gone, but there's problems with what is purchased to keep it strong. As rjthehunter stated it seems many of you had not noticed red flags of reliance on other countries to source damn near everything we need to function. If we had a full blown war we WOULD be F'ed. Myself I welcome minor loss of wealth, stock gains, and way of life not buying crap most do not need to temporarily fix some of that problem. Is Trump doing the right way? No, he's playing his hand as he did with the immigration on Mexico and Venezuela and Columbia. It worked for that but this time not so much as least yet. Reciprocal Tariffs wasn't a bad idea on many things and maybe some here are clueless to how hard some countries are putting the screws to us and all you really care about is what your interest rate and stock market and price of walmart crap costs. If so, that is your choice but during covid the lack of us being able to source items was disturbing. History shows not so long ago when WW2 was going on how important it was to be able to source items to build and survive. Did you ever wonder why you can buy a brand new one trip 40 foot shipping container for 5K??? That is not what NAFTA was supposed to create.

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[TOGIE]

Is Trump doing the right way? No, …

Ah, see, I think this is the primary disconnect. Those that find his method “right,” “best,” perhaps even “flawless” and those that don’t see his heavy handed one size fit all approach to enormously convoluted and complex global economic concepts and issues to be very wise.

Especially when it involves the absolutely undermining and punching in the throat mentality being thrown at our longest running and most powerful allies.

 

[schmalts]

Ah, see, I think this is the primary disconnect. Those that find his method “right,” “best,” perhaps even “flawless” and those that don’t see his heavy handed one size fit all approach to enormously convoluted and complex global economic concepts and issues to be very wise.

Especially when it involves the absolutely undermining and punching in the throat mentality being thrown at our longest running and most powerful allies.

Left off the part quoting me with the "not yet" As I said the economy is not dead yet, neither is this whole scheme orange man is playing.

 

[TOGIE]

Left off the part quoting me with the "not yet" As I said the economy is not dead yet, neither is this whole scheme orange man is playing.

Yes I did. Because as it stands the current methods are batshit. Sure the pivot may be coming and honeymoon will end and the midterms won’t go well I predict. But again, as it stands… batshit.

 

[SAJ-99]

Democrats are signaling they are going to come up with the votes to pass the CR.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5189724-senate-democrats-government-funding-shutdown/

This one is very interesting. This is may be one of the last items this year (or at least until after summer) that they need Dem votes to pass. The question to Dems is if they think they will get blamed for it. That is really an unknown. I suspect they try to add a change that forces the House to come back to approve, just to be a-holes about it. But Dems are pretty spineless as a group, even after they get steamrolled in elections.

 

[BigHornRam]

This one is very interesting. This is may be one of the last items this year (or at least until after summer) that they need Dem votes to pass. The question to Dems is if they think they will get blamed for it. That is really an unknown. I suspect they try to add a change that forces the House to come back to approve, just to be a-holes about it. But Dems are pretty spineless as a group, even after they get steamrolled in elections.

You are starting to get it.

 

[BigHornRam]

Left off the part quoting me with the "not yet" As I said the economy is not dead yet, neither is this whole scheme orange man is playing.

Going to be an interesting 4 years no matter how it plays out. Buckle up!

 

[SAJ-99]

You are starting to get it.

Stop! you are making me blush with all these kind words.

What you do if roles were reversed? Granted, I think we agree neither you or I are cut out for politics, but a fun game of what-if.

 

[SAJ-99]

Left off the part quoting me with the "not yet" As I said the economy is not dead yet, neither is this whole scheme orange man is playing.

I get your view. I agree with some of it, although it is a bit complicated. In the example of cars, the problem with the "scheme" is the end result is Canada loses jobs and the US gains them. Fine in the long run, if we support your view, but in the meantime there is no benefit to Canada to conceding on tariffs. They simply add their own and wait of retaliation, rinse and repeat. Before you know it, US automakers won't sell another vehicle for the rest of the year. if not longer. If you want jobs here, you need to go to US producers and threaten them - build here or else. Trump won't do that.

 

[noharleyyet]

I get your view. I agree with some of it, although it is a bit complicated. In the example of cars, the problem with the "scheme" is the end result is Canada loses jobs and the US gains them. Fine in the long run, if we support your view, but in the meantime there is no benefit to Canada to conceding on tariffs. They simply add their own and wait of retaliation, rinse and repeat. Before you know it, US automakers won't sell another vehicle for the rest of the year. if not longer. If you want jobs here, you need to go to US producers and threaten them - build here or else. Trump won't do that.

The entire world is aware of our lack of tolerance (discipline) for anything that impedes optimum corporate profit expediency & any form of trickle down misery, psychological or otherwise. We are terrible international liars' poker players, preaching self sustainability while offloading bothersome labor to poor countries. Tit for tat is fine but you better not inconvenience our populace.

 

[BigHornRam]

Stop! you are making me blush with all these kind words.

What you do if roles were reversed? Granted, I think we agree neither you or I are cut out for politics, but a fun game of what-if.

Schumer and the Democrats are #@)(*%*. I would try not to get #@)(*%*, if it were me.

 

[BigHornRam]

I get your view. I agree with some of it, although it is a bit complicated. In the example of cars, the problem with the "scheme" is the end result is Canada loses jobs and the US gains them. Fine in the long run, if we support your view, but in the meantime there is no benefit to Canada to conceding on tariffs. They simply add their own and wait of retaliation, rinse and repeat. Before you know it, US automakers won't sell another vehicle for the rest of the year. if not longer. If you want jobs here, you need to go to US producers and threaten them - build here or else. Trump won't do that.

You are way into the weeds here. Thinking too much.

 

[SAJ-99]

You are way into the weeds here. Thinking too much.

The Weeds are details that are boring but important. Yeah, thinking is hard. Just keep parroting the talking points.

 

[schmalts]

I get your view. I agree with some of it, although it is a bit complicated. In the example of cars, the problem with the "scheme" is the end result is Canada loses jobs and the US gains them. Fine in the long run, if we support your view, but in the meantime there is no benefit to Canada to conceding on tariffs. They simply add their own and wait of retaliation, rinse and repeat.

The ones who will conceed first is the one that relies on the other more for GDP and other financial intake. Example is Mexico and Columbia on the immigration threats. Take your people back or else....how long did that take ? 30 minutes? Colombia and Mexico are parasites in the long game. I'm surprised Trump hasn't threatened to turn off ATM transactions so money can't be sent back to Mexico. Google estimated amount of money earned here and sent back to families. They caved because they have the most to lose. That's who's going to cave first, the ones who have the most to lose. That is yet to be determined but it's scary if it is the USA.

 

[rjthehunter]

The first segue into this area was when someone made the completely inaccurate assertion that Obama led us into a recession, when in fact the market soared up during his administration.

Then some folks cherry picked a tiny time period of decline at the beginning of Obama's term totally forgetting that he was handed that by the Bush administration.

And now we are supposed to accept that the recovering economy with strong metrics all over the place that Trump inherited is to be ignored while Trumps DIRECT actions are creating a crisis for the economy and sending it down--a direction that CEO's, economists, and nearly everyone who doesn't get drunk on MAGA Kool Aid every day agrees is disastrous for the country.

I will agree with anyone who says the economy isn't gone yet, if only the administration would drastically change course.The faith that someone in charge would do that would be high if it weren't for the unique mental disorder the president suffers from, the inability to admit wrongdoing--and (so far) the inability of all his followers to challenge him.

Do you know what irony is?

Read the second line of your post. It's your own data wise guy. I just added in the Obama data to show the full picture for you, instead of letting you cherry pick the data you want to show. Here we are, and Trump's first month still isn't as bad as Obummer's first month.

Keep going, this is fun.

 

[SAJ-99]

The ones who will conceed first is the one that relies on the other more for GDP and other financial intake. Example is Mexico and Columbia on the immigration threats. Take your people back or else....how long did that take ? 30 minutes? Colombia and Mexico are parasites in the long game. I'm surprised Trump hasn't threatened to turn off ATM transactions so money can't be sent back to Mexico. Google estimated amount of money earned here and sent back to families. They caved because they have the most to lose. That's who's going to cave first, the ones who have the most to lose. That is yet to be determined but it's scary if it is the USA.

BHR chastised me for getting too much into the weeds for tryin to explain the real world, so I will just concede. I just warn that a victory today may turn into a loss 10yrs from now. I am concerned Trump is playing games he doesn't understand and trying to make up the rules as he goes. I guess he can do it as long as voters buy the story. It would be nice if the story started to focus on those soon-to-be-seen benefits, real or imaginary, though.

 

[BigHornRam]

The ones who will conceed first is the one that relies on the other more for GDP and other financial intake. Example is Mexico and Columbia on the immigration threats. Take your people back or else....how long did that take ? 30 minutes? Colombia and Mexico are parasites in the long game. I'm surprised Trump hasn't threatened to turn off ATM transactions so money can't be sent back to Mexico. Google estimated amount of money earned here and sent back to families. They caved because they have the most to lose. That's who's going to cave first, the ones who have the most to lose. That is yet to be determined but it's scary if it is the USA.

Everything is a negotiation with Trump. Everything.

 

[TOGIE]

I am concerned Trump is playing games he doesn't understand and trying to make up the rules as he goes.

dude, stable genius, remember?

 

[SAJ-99]

Everything is a negotiation with Trump. Everything.

This we agree on. Although I would say he takes the role of performer and sucks pretty bad at actual negotiation. And everything is for sale if he gets a cut.

 

[rjthehunter]

dude, stable genius, remember?

It's really interesting how hard you rag on someone who you think has mental issues, when you yourself have had your fair share of mental issues that have shared here. Just doesn't seem quite right.

I think you would be a little more considerate.