Non-resident outfitter license (MT) Bill is up for hearing 2/2/2021 (SB 143)

[Eric Albus]

Talked with our side this morning again about it. Was sprung on MOGA. Somebody may have knew something but none
Of us knew

 

[brocksw]

Talked with our side this morning again about it. Was sprung on MOGA. Somebody may have knew something but none
Of us knew

Spin on...

 

[Ben Lamb]

Talked with our side this morning again about it. Was sprung on MOGA. Somebody may have knew something but none
Of us knew

I thought it would have come up when your lobbyists had the chairman of the committee over for dinner this weekend.

I think you're being fed a line of shit, Eric.

 

[SAJ-99]

Just listen to the meeting. That was a mess. The committee didn't have the new fiscal note on the bill after the amendments were done, so they were trying to ask fiscal questions with zero information. The sponsor, Sen Ellsworth was directly asked if he wants to see the bill dead and he didn't say yes, but he didn't say no. He doesn't seem to be behind the bill with the amendments and wants the original to get a vote. MOGA was a proponent but made a point to say they were against the part of the amendment that allocated the $300 to anything useful and specifically said they didn't want it to go to Habitat Montana.

 

[Schaaf]

MOGA was a proponent but made a point to say they were against the part of the amendment that allocated the $300 to anything useful and specifically said they didn't want it to go to Habitat Montana.

Muck FOGA

 

[Ben Lamb]

Just listen to the meeting. That was a mess. The committee didn't have the new fiscal note on the bill after the amendments were done, so they were trying to ask fiscal questions with zero information. The sponsor, Sen Ellsworth was directly asked if he wants to see the bill dead and he didn't say yes, but he didn't say no. He doesn't seem to be behind the bill with the amendments and wants the original to get a vote. MOGA was a proponent but made a point to say they were against the part of the amendment that allocated the $300 to anything useful and specifically said they didn't want it to go to Habitat Montana.

Damn. MOGA advocating for less access for us and more welfare for them.

Sad.

 

[tjones]

Wait---MOGA is there?

How bizarre.

 

[SAJ-99]

Damn. MOGA advocating for less access for us and more welfare for them.

Sad.

LOL

Maybe you will hear something from your grapevine, but I get the sense this is dead. The sponsor didn't seem to support it with amendments and the sponsor of the amendments refused to pull the amendments. If you are on the committee how in the world can you approve this thing. The sponsor seemed dejected and a complete lack of enthusiasm for the bill. He should just pull the bill, but maybe politics won't let him do that.

 

[Nemont]

LOL

Maybe you will hear something from your grapevine, but I get the sense this is dead. The sponsor didn't seem to support it with amendments and the sponsor of the amendments refused to pull the amendments. If you are on the committee how in the world can you approve this thing. The sponsor seemed dejected and a complete lack of enthusiasm for the bill. He should just pull the bill, but maybe politics won't let him do that.

After listening to the discussion that was not the sense I got at all. It sounded like it will come back up when the updated fiscal note is available and then the committee will attempt to amend it again at that time. Or am I missing something, the member asked could that be done in this committee and the reply was yes.

Nemont

 

[SAJ-99]

After listening to the discussion that was not the sense I got at all. It sounded like it will come back up when the updated fiscal note is available and then the committee will attempt to amend it again at that time. Or am I missing something, the member asked could that be done in this committee and the reply was yes

Interesting. I assume nothing is really dead until May 2.

 

[BourbonSnowCone]

The sponsor seemed dejected and a complete lack of enthusiasm for the bill. He should just pull the bill, but maybe politics won't let him do that.

He sounded like a child who lost his favorite toy. He can’t take no for an answer because he’s the smartest guy in the room and doesn’t understand how no one else can figure that out. I’d vote for my dog before Ellsworth. Can’t write bad bills without thumbs.

 

[BourbonSnowCone]

Sorry for my previous negativity but that performance was disgusting.

 

[Big Shooter]

Muck FOGA

Right back at ya tough guy!!

 

[Schaaf]

Right back at ya tough guy!!

Would you like to buy a bumper sticker?

 

[Schaaf]

Be on the lookout for my business plan of the legislature writing in statute that 60% of all bumper stickers in MT must be purchased through me.

 

[MNElkNut]

Still waiting on you proponents to address the license odds in the future....

 

[SAJ-99]

Still waiting on you proponents to address the license odds in the future....

Not a proponent, but I don't think the odds change. As I read the amended draft, there is going to be an early NR draw where applicants pay $300 more to enter. They don't need to have an outfitter and the permits are guaranteed to the outfitters. Anything not allocated goes into the regular draw. MOGA is betting that NR clients will pay the $300. It would be interesting to see how many DIY hunters pay the $300 to enter the early draw. I'm guessing that NR big game hunting is already pricing out one of every three hunters.

 

[Big Shooter]

Not a proponent, but I don't think the odds change. As I read the amended draft, there is going to be an early NR draw where applicants pay $300 more to enter. They don't need to have an outfitter and the permits are guaranteed to the outfitters. Anything not allocated goes into the regular draw. MOGA is betting that NR clients will pay the $300. It would be interesting to see how many DIY hunters pay the $300 to enter the early draw. I'm guessing that NR big game hunting is already pricing out one of every three hunters.

Your not totally correct. MOGA didn‘t put the $300 on, that was part of the amendment. Originally it was $200. And how many DIY hunters will pay the extra $300......? Probably plenty, especially Hunt Club members as well as rich out of state landowners.

 

[Big Shooter]

Would you like to buy a bumper sticker?

Keep running your lips pal.

 

[SAJ-99]

Your not totally correct. MOGA didn‘t put the $300 on, that was part of the amendment. Originally it was $200. And how many DIY hunters will pay the extra $300......? Probably plenty, especially Hunt Club members as well as rich out of state landowners.

Didn't imply that they did. MOGA did say they didn't want the money spent on Habitat Montana, but that is for another thread. I suspect you are right in regards to DIY'ers. So the issue for debate is whether Montana should increase the application fee for NR hunters by $300. I don't have much of an issue with the amended plan, but I do have a problem with MOGA telling us where we can spend the money.
If the whole thing is about outfitters being able to plan, then MOGA should just lobby for an earlier draw. Of course, this will probably force WY, ID, AZ, CO, NM, etc to change their dates.