Schaaf
Well-known member
Holy hell.So is the trajectory of a turd in the toilet.
Pure poetry.
Mind if I forward this to my former community college creative writing professor?
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Holy hell.So is the trajectory of a turd in the toilet.
Feel free. I channeled my inner Hemingway.Holy hell.
Pure poetry.
Mind if I forward this to my former community college creative writing professor?
I take back all the mildly rude things I’ve said about you on here.Feel free. I channeled my inner Hemingway.
We can help the draw odds by raising tag price 75%.@Eric Albus, let's say we agree with you and MOGA that this won't affect NR draw odds bc you outiftters will only be getting guaranteed tags for the clients you have now, so therefore the odds stay the same bc these NR were getting the NR tags already.
With that assumption you are 100% correct but that is a horrible or in the political realm a great use of statistics to make the numbers say what you want. In the last 3 years NR applications for just elk has increased 19.5%. So your clients odds wouldn't change bc they are GUARANTEED tags but the regular NR DIY odds would drop by about 16% a year if this trend in NR applications continues.
This bill should have little, if any, negative affect on the Non-Resident draw odds due to the fact that Non-Resident guided hunters are currently using 40-45% of the available Non-Resident licenses.
If you don’t understand how draw odds will be affected (your point C) then I just don’t know how to explain it to you. There are several posts showing the math.... it’s easy to understand I promise.So, apparently there are some misconceptions on here that need to be “respectfully“ cleared up.
A) There is absolutely NOTHING in this Bill that says ANYTHING about a ”Transferable Landowner Tag“. They do not exist! Since 1990 there have been 2000 Landowner Sponsored B-11 (Deer combo) licenses available. When they do the drawing, those are drawn first and the remainder of the 2000 that are not used go into the General draw pool to be drawn from for all applicants. This is the process every year. So with that being said, there have been NO additional tags added.
B) The 60% of all non-resident licenses has now been whittled down. Yesterday, prior to the hearing, Albus and I and a couple of other guys looked over numbers from years past, did quite a little math, and came up with accurate numbers that can actually be proven. This percentage is around 40-45%. Albus and I would both agree that 60% was a little much. 45% of the available licenses will put us about par to what our current use is.
C) This bill should have little, if any, negative affect on the Non-Resident draw odds due to the fact that Non-Resident guided hunters are currently using 40-45% of the available Non-Resident licenses. (Refer to point B).
D) What is the #1 complaint that we all hear at the end of every season (this past one being the worst)?
Over-crowding on accessible public and Block Management is the answer. Even to the extent that some bafoons were accusing the FWP of issuing more tags than ever before, which most on this site would agree didn’t happen. There were plenty of outfitters that lost a lot of clients in the draw, which means that those licenses ended up in the hands of DIY Non-Residents. That’s great, I have no problem with that........but....those hunters that were fortunate enough to draw those tags had to hunt somewhere and that is one reason that it appeared that there were way more “orange coats” on the public landscape. Again, I have no problem with that.
5) It was brought to our attention this morning that one of the opponents to this Bill yesterday is operating a
”Hunt Club” in Montana. This is not a rumor and is factual. No doubt he would oppose the bill if he fears his “clients“ draw odds might go in the tank, which they won’t. (Refer to point B)
I respect everyone’s opinion on here, don’t totally agree with all of them, but damn sure respect them. We all have knee jerk reactions at times without totally understanding all that is going on or getting brought forward, myself included.
Rod Paschke
Don't need them helped the outfitters are the only ones asking for that.We can help the draw odds by raising tag price 75%.
Would still be about $4000 cheaper than getting a welfare tag.We can help the draw odds by raising tag price 75%.
I understand it is a direct repudiation of I-161.. We all have knee jerk reactions at times without totally understanding all that is going on or getting brought forward, myself included.
Rod Paschke
There were plenty of outfitters that lost a lot of clients in the draw, which means that those licenses ended up in the hands of DIY Non-Residents.
Rod Paschke
, Albus and I and a couple of other guys looked over numbers from years past, did quite a little math, and came up with accurate numbers that can actually be proven.
Rod, for the same reason you want to assure that your clients get a tag is the reason SOME ONE won't get a tag that otherwise would have in a random draw.C) This bill should have little, if any, negative affect on the Non-Resident draw odds due to the fact that Non-Resident guided hunters are currently using 40-45% of the available Non-Resident licenses. (Refer to point B).
Rod Paschke