New Mexico Privatization. Nuthin like it

[seeth07]

There isn't an elk on the planet that I would pay that kind if money to hunt. Whether I could or could not afford it. mtmuley

Serious question: Lets say you do have the ability to afford it without sacrificing anything else. What would you spend your "play money" on instead?

I only ask because our personal answer is always an adventure outdoors typically involving hunting. Both working full time and not having kids with no ability to, we are fortunate enough to be in that position and "investing" is boring. I'd rather live and explore now while my health is good.

 

[mtmuley]

Serious question: Lets say you do have the ability to afford it without sacrificing anything else. What would you spend your "play money" on instead?

I only ask because our personal answer is always an adventure outdoors typically involving hunting. Both working full time and not having kids with no ability to, we are fortunate enough to be in that position and "investing" is boring. I'd rather live and explore now while my health is good.

A fast car. mtmuley

 

[seeth07]

A fast car. mtmuley

At least you didn't say golf!

 

[mtmuley]

At least you didn't say golf!

I live in Montana. I can get a lot of adventure stepping out of my front door. Might sound simple, but it works for me. Golf is stupid. mtmuley

 

[seeth07]

I live in Montana. I can get a lot of adventure stepping out of my front door. Might sound simple, but it works for me. Golf is stupid. mtmuley

you are a wise man

 

[mtmuley]

you are a wise man

But I do understand your point of view. All in what makes you happy. mtmuley

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

But I do understand your point of view. All in what makes you happy. mtmuley

you are a wise man

Clearly you people need to try golf again. There’s a reason they put those daiquiri girls out there with the refrigerated golf carts. Golf is a great drinking game, just like shuffleboard and bowling.

 

[mtmuley]

Clearly you people need to try golf again. There’s a reason they put those daiquiri girls out there with the refrigerated golf carts. Golf is a great drinking game, just like shuffleboard and bowling.

I've only done it a handful of times. The driving range was my favorite part of the day. Fun to see how far I could smack that ball. mtmuley

 

[TheTone]

Serious question: Lets say you do have the ability to afford it without sacrificing anything else. What would you spend your "play money" on instead?

I only ask because our personal answer is always an adventure outdoors typically involving hunting. Both working full time and not having kids with no ability to, we are fortunate enough to be in that position and "investing" is boring. I'd rather live and explore now while my health is good.

I’d buy a big chunk of property in an area with over the counter tags and have some great hunting for myself and friends. All at no loss of opportunity or chances for someone else

 

[WildWill]

See and I would suspect that lifestyle of his coupled with that wealth isn’t exactly a coincidence or just an ironic lifestyle by design.

No irony at all just a hardworking simple man. But I do wonder if he ever regretted not living a little more. I can promise you if he'd have known how most of his family would piss it away after he was gone he'd have burned it before leaving them anything.

 

[YoungGun]

Does Montana have anything for private land only?

Negative. There's landowner tags, but they're unit wide. Essentially just a drawing for qualified landowners in a given LE unit that can't be transferred to non-family.

 

[Pucky Freak]

It is simple, and does not solve everything, but perhaps it is a start:

All nonresidents of NM must obtain a big game license through the public draw in order to hunt public land.

NR outfitter quota? Private land only.

 

[seeth07]

It is simple, and does not solve everything, but perhaps it is a start:

All nonresidents of NM must obtain a big game license through the public draw in order to hunt public land.

NR outfitter quota? Private land only.

Effectively that just about eliminates the need for a 10% outfitter set aside at that point. The 10% set aside was created to make it easier for outfitted clients to get tags on lands that are public.

Point is, that's a great idea but just remove the 10% outfitter set aside and toss them into the R portion of the draw.

 

[Treeshark]

It is simple, and does not solve everything, but perhaps it is a start:

It would be better to leave as-is, because it’s already a pretty damn good system. E-Plus is a net positive for the vast majority of stakeholders.

 

[seeth07]

It would be better to leave as-is, because it’s already a pretty damn good system.

Not the outfitter allocation, their 10% cut is extremely way to high and there is no checks on the process meaning its not very hard to get a guide agreement to get in that draw without actually going guided

 

[Treeshark]

Not the outfitter allocation, their 10% cut is extremely way to high and there is no checks on the process meaning its not very hard to get a guide agreement to get in that draw without actually going guided

I don’t totally disagree, but if you start pulling threads to fix the negatives you can often times have unintended consequences.

 

[Treeshark]

its not very hard to get a guide agreement to get in that draw without actually going guided

Zero problems with this part, as long as the price reflects the service. Securing the tag is the #1 biggest challenge for a lot of hunts- if an outfitter helps out with that, they’ve done their job as far as I would be concerned (personally no interest in getting “guided” and would rather DIY on public land anyway).

 

[seeth07]

Zero problems with this part, as long as the price reflects the service. Securing the tag is the #1 biggest challenge for a lot of hunts- if an outfitter helps out with that, they’ve done their job as far as I would be concerned (personally no interest in getting “guided” and would rather DIY on public land anyway).

Guess I've never thought about it that way because the intended result of that law was likely to allow outfitters to keep their business going with full paying clients.

 

[Treeshark]

Probably right, who knows?

At this point in time, like a lot of guys in HT, the only piece of gear I would need for most hunts is that little piece of (expensive) paper.

If an outfitter can help with that, they’ve done their job “outfitting” very well imo, at least for those interested in DIY.

 

[Archer86]

I don’t totally disagree, but if you start pulling threads to fix the negatives you can often times have unintended consequences.

Unintended consequences to you is probabaly anything that goes back to residents though.

I will give you this you are not shy about the fact if it benefits you it is OK