More ATV regulation

[Ithaca 37]

They're getting cracked down on more all the time. All that education the ATV crowd talks about hasn't amounted to much, so they get more laws and regulations.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch!

"Off-road vehicle enthusiasts visiting the Baumgartner Campground east of Featherville will need to begin obeying Idaho State Code rules when using their vehicles in the campground.
Starting this weekend, off-road vehicles using the paved campground road must be operated by a driver with a valid state driver´s license, and the vehicle must be licensed by the state for highway insurance. The driver also must have liability insurance.

“Each year, more and more people are using Baumgartner Campground,” said Gary Fullmer, Fairfield District ranger. “The result is a very significant increase in the use of off-highway vehicles.”

Campground hosts and Forest Service personnel will inform drivers of the rules. Send comments and questions to Fairfield Ranger District Recreation Forester Joe Miczulski at the Fairfield Ranger District, P.O. Box 189, Fairfield, ID 83327, Attn: Joe Miczulski. You can also call him at (208) 764-3202.

Edition Date: 05-24-2003"

 

[Oak]

And more:

Judge Upholds Off-Road Rules in Southern Utah
May. 24, 2003
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- A federal judge ruled the U.S. Bureau of Land Management can close 250,000 acres of public land near Moab to off-road vehicles, including the popular Factory Butte area.

U.S. District Judge Bruce Jenkins said the BLM had the power to prevent or reduce environmental damage.

Jenkins on Wednesday threw out a lawsuit from the Utah Shared Access Alliance, which said the BLM acted in 2001 without taking public comment or holding hearings.

The alliance challenged BLM restrictions on popular motor trails, off-road travel, bicycling and dispersed camping in areas near Moab and Canyonlands National Park. The off-limits areas include Factory Butte, Poison Spider Mesa, Gemini Bridges Trail and other BLM lands in Box Elder, San Juan and Emery counties.

"This ruling makes clear that the federal government can and should take reasonable measures to bring some balance to the landscape by preventing off-road vehicles from tearing apart our public lands," Earthjustice attorney Keith Bauerle said.

The lawsuit at least forced BLM to develop or update travel guidelines that accommodate some off-road travel, USA-ALL director Brian Hawthorne said.

The BLM, under pressure from conservation groups, has issued a series of emergency orders since the 1990s closing hundreds of thousands of acres to vehicle use. But in many areas, it has clear policy or enforcement strategy. Vehicles still are allowed on about 90 percent of the 22 million acres of BLM-managed land in Utah.

(Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=30063

Oak

 

[Ithaca 37]

The environmentalists are trying to help the ATV crowd, but the ATV crowd doesn't know what's best for them!

"Traditionally not focused on safety issues, environmental groups say they have become engaged in ATV safety in hopes of finding some common ground with ATV groups. The two sides often disagree bitterly over the extent of ATV-caused environmental degra- dation.
Heidi McIntosh, attorney for the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance, also believes that riders who drive ATVs safely are more likely to care about natural resources."

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/feb/02112003/utah/28357.asp

 

[Ten Bears]

Funny, I thought you had to have a license and insurance to operate any vehicle on any road in Idaho. Now you tell me it's still illegal? What are you trying to prove?

 

[Ithaca 37]

Ten, "Campground hosts and Forest Service personnel will inform drivers of the rules. Send comments and questions to Fairfield Ranger District Recreation Forester Joe Miczulski at the Fairfield Ranger District, P.O. Box 189, Fairfield, ID 83327, Attn: Joe Miczulski. You can also call him at (208) 764-3202."

Ask him yourself.

 

[Ten Bears]

No, IT, your the one who made the statement by starting the thread, I'm asking you.

 

[Muledeer4me]

"They're getting cracked down on more all the time. All that education the ATV crowd talks about hasn't amounted to much, so they get more laws and regulations. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch!

"Off-road vehicle enthusiasts visiting the Baumgartner Campground east of Featherville will need to begin obeying Idaho State Code rules when using their vehicles in the campground.
Starting this weekend, off-road vehicles using the paved campground road must be operated by a driver with a valid state driver´s license, and the vehicle must be licensed by the state for highway insurance. The driver also must have liability insurance."


I think it a good idea that they will be inforcing the law that is already in place.
The paved road in that campground is really short,it make's a loop around the camp site's and to the hot spring's,the whole area outside the campground is dirt,and has a big problem with people letting there kid's ride all over the place as well as some adult's that do it.
But outside the campground where there is primitive camping it's legal to ride on the dirt road's.
The Kelly creek trail head start's down the dirt road from that paved campground and you don't need any type of lic. or insurance to ride the trail's.

All the experenced ATV & Motorcycle rider's have know for year's about that law and the fact that the sheriff from pine will nail your butt if he catch's you riding on the main dirt road or any paved road without a lic. & insurance.
I think it's much like the don't drink and drive and speed limit law,sometime's they need to step up the inforcment to keep people in line.

 

[Ten Bears]

My point is IT thinks this is NEW law and restrictions. He's a prime example of a failed education. I agree, we need to get harder enforcement of the laws already on the books. But then IT will say the problem is getting worse because more tickets were written, failed at math and statistics didn't he, instead of looking at the increase enforcement effort.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Ten, I should clarify everything in great detail so you don't find anything to bitch about. Thanks to the complete failure of the ATV crowd to educate and police themselves we're getting more laws, regulations and having to spend more of our taxes and fees on enforcement.

Thanks, Blue Ribbon Coalition and the rest of you ATVers for the mess you've created with your lazy, inconsiderate, unethical, illegal, fat assed riding behavior.

To the small percentage of you that DO ride responsibly: You're still part of the problem. Unfortunately.

 

[Ten Bears]

And you mean to say that hunters put an end to poaching activity long ago, maybe even when you were the CAP director?

Read the headlines:
http://espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2003/0430/1547330.html
http://espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2003/0506/1550020.html

 

[Ithaca 37]

Actually, Ten, It's hunters who have worked to stop poaching and have funded the efforts. I don't see the ATV crowd doing anything similar.

 

[cjcj]

sound`s like [lack of enforcing the law is a problem everywhere] including FELONY`S!

 

[Ten Bears]

IT, 70,000 of those you call hunters are also the registered ATV riders you hate, and it is their contributions as well. BTW poaching hasn't stopped either.

 

[Muledeer4me]

"Thanks, Blue Ribbon Coalition and the rest of you ATVers for the mess you've created with your lazy, inconsiderate, unethical, illegal, fat assed riding behavior. To the small percentage of you that DO ride responsibly: You're still part of the problem. Unfortunately."


Change the name to Hunter's or gun owner's and that statment could be right off the many anit-hunting org..
We could go a step further and add beer drinker's,car owner's,snowmachine owner's,game farm's,logger's,minner's,farmer's,rancher's,SUV owner's,Mt biker's oh and don't forget that old guy that Ithaca bitch's about that catches to many fish .LOL
We get the picture Ithaca ,nothing will make you happy untill we are all Ithaca greenie clone's and the world has been spun backward's LOL
Damn progress anyway!!!!!!!

 

[Ithaca 37]

Ten, where'd you get the 70,000 figure?

"Since 1995, the number of All Terrain Vehicles (ATVs) in Idaho has increased three-fold. There are now over 33,000 ATVs registered in the state."

http://www2.state.id.us/fishgame/hunt/programsinfo/ATVs/facts.htm

You wouldn't be trying to mislead us, would you?

Ten, Hunters started the CAP program. Have all those ATV riders and clubs started any organizations to help reduce ATV violations?

 

[Muledeer4me]

"Ten, Hunters started the CAP program. Have all those ATV riders and clubs started any organizations to help reduce ATV violations?"

You have got to be joking!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.nohvcc.org/flash/index1.htm


I found a lot of good info. on what the ATV and OHV org. & club's are doing.

Sorry Ithaca ,I don't have the time to do all the work for you LOL
You will have to look through it yourself,but it's all in there if anyone take's the time to look,and want's to see it.

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[Ithaca 37]

You can't even find us one example of what the ATV clubs in Idaho are doing to help enforce ATV regulations?

 

[Ten Bears]

IT, contact the Idaho Parks & Rec at
PO Box 83720 • Boise, ID 83720-0065 • 208-334-4199 • Questions? Email Jenn.
http://www.idahoparks.org/rec/permits_motorbike.html

I while working with an ATV group on a grant project, I was informed, earlier this spring, that there were in excess of 70,000 registered ORV's in Idaho last year. Parks & Rec doesn't have any of this information on their web site, but if you go there you can email Jenn and she'll tell you exactly how any stickers were sold last year. Sorry, no lie here, keep looking.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Ten, you might be including motorcycles with ATVs. Maybe snowmobiles too.

 

[Ten Bears]

Dirt bike are included with ATV's in the sticker sales. Are you saying you recognize a difference between them? And NO snomobiles are counted seperately.