Montana 2025 Legislative Session

[Forkyfinder]

Also if you were a nr that just bought points you have paid any property taxes. You probably haven’t visited the state other than hunting season and even then had a truck bed full of mountain houses to get deep.

Not to derail you continue

If this state had a sales tax - some NR probably pay more in gas tax, lodging tax, and sales tax than a lot of landowners do on 2500 acres. For reference - the taxable value on a section of land (640 acres) adjacent to the custer is 35k. My undeveloped 1 acre lot is nearly double that at almost 65k.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Everyone’s land is increased I haven’t met any ranchers that have gone broke. Couple that retired

Percisely. They are forced to retire - because the value of the ranch has gone up to the point of making the estate tax to painful to bear to pass on for most traditional land ownerd scratching out a modest living.

Adding to the incentives to be a NR property owner is gasoline on that fire. And id much prefer water....

 

[cgasner1]

Percisely. They are forced to retire - because the value of the ranch has gone up to the point of making the estate tax to painful to bear to pass on for most traditional land ownerd scratching out a modest living.

Adding to the incentives to be a NR property owner is gasoline on that fire. And id much prefer water....

So which is it with the taxes they are nothing or they are pricing ranchers out? Not really fair to tell me that those nr taxes are nothing but it’s pricing generational ranchers out

 

[Forkyfinder]

By that logic what’s to stop them from just hunting the ranch without any tag? Being worth 10 million won’t stop you from loosing rights in 48 states

Except that you cant take it in for processing or taxidermy tagless? Having a tag - and misusing it - isnt quite the same as not having at tag at all and poaching.

It would be very hard to prove one and very easy to prove the other.

 

[Forkyfinder]

So which is it with the taxes they are nothing or they are pricing ranchers out? Not really fair to tell me that those nr taxes are nothing but it’s pricing generational ranchers out

Its both!

The ag prop tax is based on what the land theoretically could produce. My land and your land is taxed on what its worth.

The ACTUAL, not TAXABLE, value of the property went up to the point of being pinned into paying expensive estate taxes - just to hand it to your offspring.

 

[antlerradar]

Everyone’s land is increased I haven’t met any ranchers that have gone broke. Couple that retired

This is one of the biggest reason why ranches sell, often the next generation is just not interested in the work required for the low pay.

 

[Forkyfinder]

This is one of the biggest reason why ranches sell, often the next generation is just not interested in the work required for the low pay.

Do you know folks that have went under from not being able to pay the estate tax, too?

I do.

 

[antlerradar]

As far as more harm done.

1. What is the enforcement mechanism for anyone to prove they did or did hunt on their own land? Seems like - and hear me out here - its probably worth the risk to hunt beyond it if you are worth 10 million plus.

I don't think that there has ever been a requirement that you hunt your own property for landowner preference.

 

[antlerradar]

Do you know folks that have went under from not being able to pay the estate tax, too?

I do.

Not recently, because of the current exemption, That goes away it is going to be an issue.

 

[Carnage2011]

I don't think that there has ever been a requirement that you hunt your own property for landowner preference.

This is correct. I believe forky is talking about the 454 tags though and they are for your private land only.

 

[Forkyfinder]

This is correct. I believe forky is talking about the 454 tags though and they are for your private land only.

Yes. I am referring to the expansion of the abuse of 454 in permit areas. Which although dont worsen draw odds - youd have to see how they arent good for units trying to manage for age class.

But yeah. Its also worth noting that in the standard 635 NR landowner permit - you can hunt where ever you want. So your 2500 acres, with no elk, got you a tag for public land in the custer. How beneficial for wildlife and permits.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Yes. I am referring to the expansion of the abuse of 454 in permit areas. Which although dont worsen draw odds - youd have to see how they arent good for units trying to manage for age class.

But yeah. Its also worth noting that in the standard 635 NR landowner permit - you can hunt where ever you want. So your 2500 acres, with no elk, got you a tag for public land in the custer. How beneficial for wildlife and permits.

This is not true.

A 635 License limits the holder to their own private deeded land or private land leased for ag operations. They are not unit wide

 

[Schaaf]

Yes. I am referring to the expansion of the abuse of 454 in permit areas. Which although dont worsen draw odds - youd have to see how they arent good for units trying to manage for age class.

But yeah. It’s also worth noting that in the standard 635 NR landowner permit - you can hunt where ever you want. So your 2500 acres, with no elk, got you a tag for public land in the custer. How beneficial for wildlife and permits.

Yeah that’s not correct. 635 is a general license that is restricted to their private deeded land.

 

[Forkyfinder]

This is not true.

A 635 License limits the holder to their own private deeded land or private land leased for ag operations. They are not unit wide

Whats the penalty for not complying?

 

[Ben Lamb]

Whats the penalty for not complying?

 

[Forkyfinder]

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You do catch my drift, right?

I guess im in for them wearing a special rainbow color hunting costune, all over, in lieu of hunter orange to confirm that they have the tag valid only for their land.

Frankly - i dont even see an FWP employee thinking to verify that. And i dont blame them.

 

[RandanP]

SB 307 - take money from marijuana tax revenue currently dedicated to Habitat Montana, as well as state parks,non-game wildlife, and recreation (over 30 million over the next two years) , and instead direct it to varied goals and initiatives of a marijuana tax accountability council.

Montana SB307 | 2025 | Regular Session

Summary (2025-02-24) Reallocate Montana marijuana tax revenue [(S) Hearing (S) Business, Labor and Economic Affairs]

legiscan.com

They really don’t understand what their constituents want, do they?

 

[Forkyfinder]

You do catch my drift, right?

I guess im in for them wearing a special rainbow color hunting costune, all over, in lieu of hunter orange to confirm that they have the tag valid only for their land.

Frankly - i dont even see an FWP employee thinking to verify that. And i dont blame them.

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[Ben Lamb]

You do catch my drift, right?

I guess im in for them wearing a special rainbow color hunting costune, all over, in lieu of hunter orange to confirm that they have the tag valid only for their land.

Frankly - i dont even see an FWP employee thinking to verify that. And i dont blame them.

My understanding is that if you are caught violating the provisions you are kicked out from being eligible.

Confirming with enforcement.

 

[Forkyfinder]

My understanding is that if you are caught violating the provisions you are kicked out from being eligible.

Confirming with enforcement.

A risk thats worth taking. Every time.