Miss fire.

[Big Sky Guy]

Uh, isn’t that how the Accu Trigger is supposed to work? That is, it shouldn’t fire unless you depress the center blade first (as you squeeze) and then execute the shot? I’ve got an Axis II and a 220 and seems that I remember reading in the owners manual that this is an added safety feature of the Accu Trigger.

Incorrect. You are mistaken the AccuTrigger for Glock Safe Action type trigger. The AccuTrigger can and does engage without the center blade being fully depressed and in doing so results in light primer strikes and uncocking. If you try pulling a Glock trigger without depressing the center blade safety it will not move. The video does not really illustrate this and the narrator incorrectly identifies the center blade as a safety which it is not by my definition but perhaps you could say it is since a light primer strike doesn’t result in the gun firing .

 

[Sam Colt]

Doesn't *usually* result in the gun firing. Softer primers might betray you.

 

[EKYHunter]

Here’s what the owners manual states. Maybe I’m misunderstanding. Wouldn’t be the first time

 

[3855WIN]

I’ve talked to three different people that had Hornady 7-08 low recoil ammo not fire for their kids.

 

[jvanhoy]

Uh, isn’t that how the Accu Trigger is supposed to work? That is, it shouldn’t fire unless you depress the center blade first (as you squeeze) and then execute the shot? I’ve got an Axis II and a 220 and seems that I remember reading in the owners manual that this is an added safety feature of the Accu Trigger.

That’s what I thought too but I tested it yesterday after the misfire. It will absolutely fire without touching the center part at all but like I said it doesn’t sound right at all. It’s more of a thud than a snap when the firing pin goes off. Wednesday I’m going on a doe thinning mission at my dads and I’m going to try the same shell that didn’t fire.

 

[jvanhoy]

Here’s what the owners manual states. Maybe I’m misunderstanding. Wouldn’t be the first time

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After the hunt I may shoot and test this out with live rounds. Either way I think I’m going to look into a different trigger for the gun.

 

[Big Sky Guy]

Here’s what the owners manual states. Maybe I’m misunderstanding. Wouldn’t be the first time

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We’ll look at that, this describes exactly what I was trying to explain. This is all correct except light primer strikes do happen with them so the firing pin must be moving slightly. With a Glock the trigger doesn’t move and there is no “click” it either goes bang or doesn’t go bang.

Terrible design by Savage IMO. I’m all for improving trigger pull but in a hunting situation the gun has to go off when the trigger is pulled, regardless of how “well” or “correct” it is pulled.

 

[nhenry]

Without reading all the responses, that looks like a light primer strike just from the one picture you posted. It’s not a very deep hit

 

[Wind Gypsy]

If your trigger pull is perfect and straight back, no issue. With gloves on and in a hunting situation sometimes your finger, especially when gloved, will be at a slight angle on the trigger, as you are pulling back the tip of your finger, angled away from trigger, fails to fully depress the trigger blade and the part of your fingertip further toward you hand pulls the trigger and - misfire.

Hard to picture how it'd be a problem for a person using the pad of their finger rather than wrapping it around the trigger like an orangutan? Edit to add: or if you side load the blade a bit does it push against the actual trigger shoe and not slip through even if the pad of your finger is pretty flush with the face of the trigger?

 

[brownbear932008]

Just tested your theory and there is no doubt in my mind that’s what happened. It sounds completely different when the trigger is pulled without the center part pulled also. Will definitely have to keep this in mind in the future. Thanks a bunch!

I had the same thing happen on a Mossberg I owned with the lightning trigger. It found it's way gone real quickly. I knew what would happen in the moment when needed in the woods.

 

[mtmuley]

The Accutrigger always seemed kind of gimmicky to me. If you can, replace it with a good aftermarket adjusted to 2-2.5 pounds and be done with it. mtmuley

 

[Boarmaster]

In 45 years hunting with factory ammo I only ever had one instance of no-fire.
About 8 years ago I was shooting so Hornady Whitetail 7mm08 ammo. I had several no-fires out of one box. Fortunately I was at the range and not hunting. A good dent in the primer and I went on to shoot another type ammo the rest of the morning with no issues so it must have been bad primers.

 

[jvanhoy]

Update
Went hunting this morning to thin out some does with a couple buddies. Loaded the same shell that didn’t fire the other morning. Same result. Racked that round out and another in and took a nice doe. Must have been a bad round. Still will probably ditch the accutrigger before next season.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Update
Went hunting this morning to thin out some does with a couple buddies. Loaded the same shell that didn’t fire the other morning. Same result. Racked that round out and another in and took a nice doe. Must have been a bad round. Still will probably ditch the accutrigger before next season.

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The fact that you've had multiple ammo manufacturers and even different lots experience issues to me points at there being a rifle function issue. Headspace could still be a little on the long side or firing pin energy/protrusion could still be lacking. If either is true, 1 round that has brass fitting the chamber a little looser than others might result is unreliable primer ignition.

The shoulder of the brass should be close enough to resistance from the chamber that when the firing pin hits the primer, it is not able to be pushed forward much before meeting resistance. If theres excessive headspace in a chamber a round can be too far forward to allow for reliable ignition.

One round going off and another not can be an indication of variance amongst rounds but that doesn't necessarily mean that the ones that are "duds" aren't also within spec.

 

[jvanhoy]

The fact that you've had multiple ammo manufacturers and even different lots experience issues to me points at there being a rifle function issue. Headspace could still be a little on the long side or firing pin energy/protrusion could still be lacking. If either is true, 1 round that has brass fitting the chamber a little looser than others might result is unreliable primer ignition.

The shoulder of the brass should be close enough to resistance from the chamber that when the firing pin hits the primer, it is not able to be pushed forward much before meeting resistance. If theres excessive headspace in a chamber a round can be too far forward to allow for reliable ignition.

One round going off and another not can be an indication of variance amongst rounds but that doesn't necessarily mean that the ones that are "duds" aren't also within spec.

Thanks. It definitely has me wondering at this point. I need to get to the range and put some rounds through it.

 

[Beignet]

We’ve got a few rifles with those blade triggers. Never had an issue with them.

I do have a non accutrigger Axis that has had a few misfires. Exclusively with cheap ammo of the Core Lokt, Fiocchi, etc variety. Took the bolt apart and gave everything a good cleaning. That was maybe three years ago. Hasn’t misfired since.

There’s some videos online that show disassembly procedure.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Thanks. It definitely has me wondering at this point. I need to get to the range and put some rounds through it.

The good news with a savage is if they are headspaced wrong it can likely be easily addressed without machining due to the use of a barrel nut rather than a shouldered barrel.

 

[jvanhoy]

Thanks again everyone!