Matt Rinella gives a talk at Pope and Young

[jbseamus83]

I don't think the world is going to be influencer free anytime soon. Advertiser dollars tied to R3 is here to stay too, I just don't think its productive to call for the all out abandonment and ban of recruiting new hunters.
What we need to be working on is ensuring these new people coming in are ethical, safe and activating them as advocates. In my opinion just being good at killing shit doesn't make you a good hunter in this day and age. We need advocates for what we do, for our wildlife and their habitat. We need less gear dump videos and more how to interact with you fish and wildlife commission videos.

I couldn't agree more

 

[Firedude]

Influencers are not as big of an issue as that our society as a whole is easily influenced.

It happens all the time now. A person with a following says something and it's like it has become the latest chapter in the Bible. If you speak out against that person you're mugged by the crowd. Then the crowd must follow in his footsteps and do all the things the Influencer does.

Not very many people know how to skeptical and analytical of what a popular person has to say.

 

[RemingtonRules]

Analytical abilities F

That hurt my feelings you Bud Light drinker

 

[deerhunt1988]

Also, this is kinda related to the cucking of the outdoor world.
Has anybody heard about the mtb market taking a nose dive this year.
I was watching some vids in yt yesterday where a dude was showing some steeply discounted bikes from major manufacturers and saying the reasoning behind this was because they had way too much inventory.
Maybe things will stead to cool down a bit.

They are all just switching to ebikes

 

[WoodMoose]

@Matt Rinella
Wtf was up with that snide remark @46:15 “he might even have to go back to his day job as a ski lift operator” about?
Let’s not belittle the people who are literally the life blood of these mountain communities in an attempt to glorify ourselves.

i didn't hear that in his talk - at about 46:15 he was talking about giving landowners a bottle of whiskey or a pie and then folks they like to have supported - I didn't hear a snide remark in there

 

[Nick_CO]

i didn't hear that in his talk - at about 46:15 he was talking about giving landowners a bottle of whiskey or a pie and then folks they like to have supported - I didn't hear a snide remark in there

The comment was there. I'm not sure exactly what time he said it but I heard it as well. Having worked at ski areas for many years (though never as a lift op) I'll say that many of them were not exactly desirable employees. But I also knew a lot of good people that did that important job very well, so the comment was uncalled for IMO. I like Matt's message for hunting but if I was a lift operator I would let him bump his own chair from now on.

 

[WoodMoose]

The comment was there. I'm not sure exactly what time he said it but I heard it as well. Having worked at ski areas for many years (though never as a lift op) I'll say that many of them were not exactly desirable employees. But I also knew a lot of good people that did that important job very well, so the comment was uncalled for IMO. I like Matt's message for hunting but if I was a lift operator I would let him bump his own chair from now on.

I'll have to listen again some time - must have missed it

 

[lastlight]

Jesus, don’t let one snarky comment derail the important message here guys.

 

[LuketheDog]

@Matt Rinella
Wtf was up with that snide remark @46:15 “he might even have to go back to his day job as a ski lift operator” about?
Let’s not belittle the people who are literally the life blood of these mountain communities in an attempt to glorify ourselves.

I'd say only about half of them could qualify as lifeblood of the mountain towns, the rest are there for the free lift tickets and partying...

 

[TOGIE]

I'd say only about half of them could qualify as lifeblood of the mountain towns, the rest are there for the free lift tickets and partying...

and the STDs



real question though that popped into my head driving to work today for some reason: would Matt R pay more for his resident tags?

that.. that is the litmus test.

 

[elkduds]

and the STDs



real question though that popped into my head driving to work today for some reason: would Matt R pay more for his resident tags?

that.. that is the litmus test.

Historically the bull/cow ratio has been sky high in ski towns. I never lost a girlfriend, I just lost my turn.

Agree that $ is key to more resident control of state wildlife agencies, which means Rs pay more as NR #s get less. I'm good w that.

 

[TOGIE]

Historically the bull/cow ratio has been sky high in ski towns. I never lost a girlfriend, I just lost my turn.

 

[MO Betta]

It is wild to me that now CO is at a crisis but if you look at the starts there were far more OTC elk tags sold 20 years ago, and here out east everyone talks about how few hunters there are compared to the 80s.

Seems like QDMA/ big buck porn whatever, really slammed the door on private access. I bet the average score of a buck taken has gone up 40 inches in the last 15 years but is that worth 1/10 the access.

It really has, not just in the east (Midwest POV here). The days of stopping to chat with a landowner and getting permission are nearly gone, hunting leases have done a pretty good job of pricing out a lot of people. Both locals and out of towners/NRs lock up land, throw food plots around/put in feeders, etc.

You might as well buy a couple processed steers and come out money ahead.

 

[westbranch]

Historically the bull/cow ratio has been sky high in ski towns. I never lost a girlfriend, I just lost my turn.

Its similar to how my brother refers to small town dating in your 30s. Everybody is just taking their turn.

 

[mdhunter]

I listened to it all and am only vaguely familiar with Matt. He had some solid points but not a lot of viable solutions that will move the big needle. That said, every little bit helps.

I think folks like our host Randy have done far more good than they get credit for. There are others in the industry…not so much.

Privatization and access of land is real east of the Mississippi and will not change imho. The management of the western lands over the next couple of decades will be critical. I hope the managers of such listen to the public and make more good decisions than bad.

The resource is limited and that will not change.

 

[DouglasR]

I'd say only about half of them could qualify as lifeblood of the mountain towns, the rest are there for the free lift tickets and partying...

and the STDs

like I said, the lifeblood of mountain towns.

 

[David Gough]

I haven't listened to this particular speech, but I've listened and read a number of the things that Matt has put out there. I also have to admit that I am one of those that follows a lot of what Meateater does as a fan. I do not like everything that Meateater does and I do believe that they are much more into selling products now than when I started following them and it can be quite annoying.

I can't say that I completely disagree with everything that Matt stands for with the publicizing and and advertising of animals. However, a huge part of what he speaks out against is the 'over-crowding' problem and the growth of hunting. Yes, social media has had a part in this, but I truly believe that there are other causes with technology (phone-based gps, gear improvement, atvs, etc.) that provide more comfort and security for going to these places rather than social media. A lot of what Matt puts out there sounds very selfish - 'get off my lawn' sounding. While it would be awesome to have the woods completely to yourself at all times, it does belong to everyone. I don't think he has been able to truly support most of his ideas with logical and realistic solutions other than 'stop going hunting - well, except for me, so that I can have the woods to myself'. I just can't get on board with this line of thought.

The get off my lawn, er, get off my BLM/USFS ground certainly gets old quickly.

I had a conversation with a friend last night who kept ranting on about all of the "trash hunters" invading our state. He could never actually articulate what these "trash hunters" were doing to piss him off; just that he hated people "ruining" the hills. Led me to believe he didn't like other people hunting the same area he puts in for every year and that he doesn't appreciate other hunters willing to walk away from the truck to kill something during archery season.

I tried to explain that him wishing there were less hunters would not make it so, and you have to adapt to change or be left in the dust. There's less animals and more hunters. If you're not being competitive enough in some fashion your ass will get beaten.

I was sweating my dick off in the desert scouting pronghorn yesterday. Didn't see any of the more tenured hunters trying to locate bucks or scout the area, but I guess that just makes me a part of the problem for trying.

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

This is how public resources are managed for the public.

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

The get off my lawn, er, get off my BLM/USFS ground certainly gets old quickly.

I had a conversation with a friend last night who kept ranting on about all of the "trash hunters" invading our state. He could never actually articulate what these "trash hunters" were doing to piss him off; just that he hated people "ruining" the hills. Led me to believe he didn't like other people hunting the same area he puts in for every year and that he doesn't appreciate other hunters willing to walk away from the truck to kill something during archery season.

I tried to explain that him wishing there were less hunters would not make it so, and you have to adapt to change or be left in the dust. There's less animals and more hunters. If you're not being competitive enough in some fashion your ass will get beaten.

I was sweating my dick off in the desert scouting pronghorn yesterday. Didn't see any of the more tenured hunters trying to locate bucks or scout the area, but I guess that just makes me a part of the problem for trying.

I know that guy! He’s at every family event, bar, little league game, bowling alley and gun club every time. Bigoted busy body who wants everyone to feel his pain. Got all the answers just looking for a question.

 

[David Gough]

I know that guy! He’s at every family event, bar, little league game, bowling alley and gun club every time. Bigoted busy body who wants everyone to feel his pain. Got all the answers just looking for a question.

Haha, absolutely. Mad that he can't drive his truck to a deer anymore. Mad at the world about draw odds (he only gets his archery tag every other year now). Doesn't seem to want to hunt anywhere else in the state besides where he has always hunted. Doesn't look to hunting opportunities in other states, or other species that is. It's everyone else's fault for his struggles and you can go to hell if you teach a new hunter a thing or two. There should be no new hunters, just the same hunting families generation after generation.

He also sucks at fishing.