174in
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for money I see they are advertising.I see advertisment on this site and also the sportsmens channel just wondering?
Is colorado hurting
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They are advertising on this site and most every other hunting site. They are advertising on Sportsman Channel and Outdoor Channel.
The states have started to go after the non-resident hunter. Colorado saw the other states putting together some aggressive marketing plans, and they are trying to stay ahead of the curve. I don't think it is as much "hurting" as it is wanting to protect market share, if one were to use a business term.
They claim they have lost some elk hunters over the years, for many different reasons. They want to get them back. I believe this is a joint project by both DOW and the Department of Tourism. West slope businesses have a serious connection to the non-resident hunter and this is a big push by Department of Tourism. Wonder if DOW would be doing it if they did not get the funding/backing from Tourism?
I am sure the residents don't really care for it, but it seems that Colorado has made it claim to fame by being the state with lots of opportunity on 23 million acres of public land.
I am going back this year, and probably going to Colorado every year, after the fun hunt I had last year during the Third OTC season. It amazes me how many elk are in Colorado, in spite of the hunting pressure. And, how accessible they are. Don't have any false ideas of shooting huge bulls, but that is not why I hunt.
The states have started to go after the non-resident hunter. Colorado saw the other states putting together some aggressive marketing plans, and they are trying to stay ahead of the curve. I don't think it is as much "hurting" as it is wanting to protect market share, if one were to use a business term.
They claim they have lost some elk hunters over the years, for many different reasons. They want to get them back. I believe this is a joint project by both DOW and the Department of Tourism. West slope businesses have a serious connection to the non-resident hunter and this is a big push by Department of Tourism. Wonder if DOW would be doing it if they did not get the funding/backing from Tourism?
I am sure the residents don't really care for it, but it seems that Colorado has made it claim to fame by being the state with lots of opportunity on 23 million acres of public land.
I am going back this year, and probably going to Colorado every year, after the fun hunt I had last year during the Third OTC season. It amazes me how many elk are in Colorado, in spite of the hunting pressure. And, how accessible they are. Don't have any false ideas of shooting huge bulls, but that is not why I hunt.
drthornton
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I was thinking the same thing 174...thanks for the info Fin.
Also, I think it's safe to say New Mexico is not one of those states going after non-residents!
Also, I think it's safe to say New Mexico is not one of those states going after non-residents!
Now that's funny.
But, those former NM guys are going somewhere, as are guys who are thinking they are priced out in MT and ID. I suspect some states see that as opportunity for them.
Zach
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I don't mind as long as guys aren't jerks. I've had a few run ins with California guys with some attitude. Just complete a-holes.
With that being said, I don't fault the DOW for going after the money, just so long as it goes back into the program.
I'll also say this year I won't have to compete with anyone during deer season except the deer. Elk, well that's a different story.
dan.kirkpatrick
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I dont like seeing all those comercials about colorado otc tags,I feel that if colorado wanted to attract non-resident hunters that they should lower their prices,make buying points more affordable and look at there neiboring states{wyoming} that run a much better program if they want to attract non-resident revinues.
NChunter
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I don't really think they need to spend all that money on advertising. It could probably be spent on something better. I would think everyone would know by now how easy it is to get a tag there. I love going to Colorado. Everyone I have met that lives there is friendly and nice. I am going back this fall, hopefully 1st rifle season.
noharleyyet
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They could atttract far more ATV'rs if they legalized tundra trammeling....Wyodeerhuinter, can I get an amen?
NChunter
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Colorado is actually very liberal with where they allow atvs to be used on public land IMO. In North Carolina you cannot use an atv in gamelands (which are mostly national forest land) even on roads, except in orv areas. I only know of 3 public orv areas in the state and they are small. I don't use an atv in Colorado so when I go there I try to find areas to hunt where atvs are not allowed. Although I think atvs are fine for some uses.
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I never see these ads for 2 reasons...I have a DVR so I skip all that stuff in the middle of the shows and I use Ad block Plus. :O
174in
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Thanks Fin.I also agree with Dan it would be great if they made the points more affordable I like how Wy does it were I am able to just buy a point after the draw.Sure beats sending all the money in and waiting for it to come back.
That would be good, but here is a sample what the blowback would be for any change in the point system in CO. Not saying I agree with these comments, but I am sure they would come up:
1. It was much more expensive and difficult for me to build my points. I have had to send in the full fee for the last 12 years, and now you are going to let people start building points by just paying a token fee.
2. We already have "point creep" in CO. Why are you making it easier for people to get even more points?
3. If non-residents want points, they should be dedicated enough to send the full fee. If not, building points and hunting CO is not a very high priority for them.
4. It is not fair to change something in mid-stream. We need to keep it the way it has been since the start.
5. You name it.....
174in
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I hear you where your coming from Fin the WI DNR changes stuff every year it makes things difficult if you dont keep up on it.I want to go to Colorado and play king of the mountain.I may have to apply for a point this year.I would like to hunt the state in a few years.
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dan.kirkpatrick
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I just think that colorado should spend there money on game,not advertizing,if they want me to spend $500 for a elk tag they need no have some better quality hunts to apply for,I dont want to just hunt for raghorns in a sea of orange hunters,I have applied for non-resident tags in nearly most of the western states this year and feel that colorado isnt worth the price,verses quality for a elk hunt.
Dinkshooter
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Fact.
We could still run through all the hunter #'s Colorado does AND increase the age class of bulls if there was some major road closures thoughout the state. Forest Service, BLM you name it. Close them down.
We could still run through all the hunter #'s Colorado does AND increase the age class of bulls if there was some major road closures thoughout the state. Forest Service, BLM you name it. Close them down.
Funny you say that. This morning I sat in on a conference call and listened to some guys claim that road closures, whether permanent or seasonal, and travel management plans, are the end of hunting.
That because of travel management plans, hunters are quitting in droves, because they can't get back in the woods where they can get away from the pressure.
Really, he said it and some others agreed with him. Maybe I miss the logic, but if you let everyone ride around wherever they want, how will you ever get away from people if they are allowed to ride everywhere? I figured I had not yet awaken, so I just listened and made notes.
Kind of like the guy at a Bozeman hearing who argued that since the data showed elk like to be at least a mile away from a road, we need roads and trails that go further back in.
Reminds me of the joke about the guy who was told that 80% if accidents happen within a mile of home, so he moved.
Funny you say that. This morning I sat in on a conference call and listened to some guys claim that road closures, whether permanent or seasonal, and travel management plans, are the end of hunting.
That because of travel management plans, hunters are quitting in droves, because they can't get back in the woods where they can get away from the pressure.
Really, he said it and some others agreed with him. Maybe I miss the logic, but if you let everyone ride around wherever they want, how will you ever get away from people if they are allowed to ride everywhere? I figured I had not yet awaken, so I just listened and made notes.
Kind of like the guy at a Bozeman hearing who argued that since the data showed elk like to be at least a mile away from a road, we need roads and trails that go further back in.
Reminds me of the joke about the guy who was told that 80% if accidents happen within a mile of home, so he moved.
Lol, wish they had a loss of hunting rights for 5 years for road hunting law. Then gurantee a dozen deer/elk dummies will be in the ditch on opening weekend! Wardens could hand out the tickets like there were for a $200 million dollar powerball draw...
thecrittergitter
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I'm with you on this one for sure! In fact, one of the most road hunted roads in the state is near my property in Western Montana. I tried pushing for years to get the gate locked and have it accessible by foot, bike, or horse only. The FS department said as much as they would love to do that, I was clearly on the minority side of that arguement. Pretty much told me there was no way it would happen because there are far more lazy whiners that want to shoot stuff from the truck than there are guys that want to actually "hunt". Pathetic.
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