Interesting......

[Sytes]

eh, reloading... what?

Heh, no bone in this fight though the irony of the parallels are getting amusing.

 

[Dave N]

Are we going to need a time-out?

 

[mtmuley]

Reloading

I knew that magnet. I'm good. And, I have access to a shitload of copper bullets. Happy New Year. mtmuley

 

[Doublecluck]

https://soarraptors.org/wp-content/uploads/NorthDakotaCDCreport.pdf

Study on Game Meat Skips the Science

NSSF encourages the media and hunters to carefully read studies that attempt to disparage the consumption of game taken with traditional ammunition.

www.nssf.org

 

[Brian in Montana]

I just have a hard time believing that golden eagles are getting enough lead from gut piles to even be detectable, much less harmful to them. I've always had trouble buying this.

I couldn't get the article to open, but I've read plenty stuff like it to surmise what it says.

 

[jryoung]

I just have a hard time believing that golden eagles are getting enough lead from gut piles to even be detectable, much less harmful to them. I've always had trouble buying this.

I couldn't get the article to open, butut I've read plenty stuff like it to surmise what it says.

Volunteer with some vets who do chelation on raptors.

 

[Brian in Montana]

I've seen a few gut piles and carcasses in my time, there's not much lead in them. Pretty close to none, I'd bet.

Like I said, I couldn't get the article to open. Is there any consideration that the eagles are getting the lead some place else? Fish, perhaps?

 

[mtmiller]

Picked up a sick golden quite a few years ago in Phillips Co (MT) on a prairie dog town. Met someone from Raptor Center and they later confirmed lead poisoning. Bird was able to recover thanks to the Raptor Center.

 

[jryoung]

I've seen a few gut piles and carcasses in my time, there's not much lead in them. Pretty close to none, I'd bet.

Like I said, I couldn't get the article to open. Is there any consideration that the eagles are getting the lead some place else? Fish, perhaps?

There's quite a few studies out there regarding lead and eagles, both migratory and resident from different points around the country.

Look up why you need lead free for the Grand Teton elk hunt.

 

[Elkmagnet]

I knew that magnet. I'm good. And, I have access to a shitload of copper bullets. Happy New Year. mtmuley

Rubbing it in...Happy new years!

 

[Elkmagnet]

I've seen a few gut piles and carcasses in my time, there's not much lead in them. Pretty close to none, I'd bet.

Have you been able to X ray many?

 

[Brian in Montana]

Have you been able to X ray many?

No. Have the people who do these studies?

 

[Brian in Montana]

I was being sarcastic, of course, but maybe they do?

 

[FI460]

I was being sarcastic, of course, but maybe they do?

https://www.oregonzoo.org/sites/default/files/downloads/Non-lead%20WHY%20brochure_8.24.2017.pdf

They do.

 

[sapperJ24]

I was being sarcastic, of course, but maybe they do?

Inside Region 3 | U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Midwest Region

(PDF) Heads in the sand: Public health and ecological risks of lead-based bullets for wildlife shooting in Australia

PDF | Lead (Pb) is a toxic element banned from fuel, paint and many other products in most developed countries. Nonetheless, it is still widely used in... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

 

[Hunting Wife]

I was being sarcastic, of course, but maybe they do?

Yes, some lowly wildlife technicians have been paid to go out and pick up gut piles and take them back for x-ray. It’s been repeated in several countries and multiple states.

 

[refuseresist]

Yes, some lowly wildlife technicians have been paid to go out and pick up gut piles and take them back for x-ray. It’s been repeated in several countries and multiple states.

Yeah, but he'd “bet" it's no big deal!

 

[refuseresist]

LD50 isn't the only epidemiologic concern, fwiw.

 

[Trial153]

I ask this seriously as guy that kills everything with an arrow shot from a string I pull back.
What's the down side to using nontoxic bullets to kill game that your feeding your family? Why not be prudent and careful considering that there is readily available viable alternatives?

 

[Wind Gypsy]

I ask this seriously as guy that kills everything with an arrow shot from a string I pull back.
What's the down side to using nontoxic bullets to kill game that your feeding your family? Why not be prudent and careful considering that there is readily available viable alternatives?

No deal breakers but the downsides are:
1. Higher Cost
2. Copper hunting bullets in general have lesser external and terminal ballistics than lead bullets. They lose velocity faster, are impacted more by wind, and make narrower wound channels.