Gunners and his freinds ---Extremists?

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C.L. ’Butch’ Otter: Activists drop the carrot, use threat of litigation as a stick



C.L. ’Butch’ Otter


"An Idaho Rivers United leader ripped me in The Statesman on Nov. 13 for opposing an attempt to hijack Idaho´s water. Using the Endangered Species Act as a weapon, his scheme is to ransom all the water in the Snake River Basin for the breaching of what he calls “four low-value dams in Washington.”
Here´s how I read the criticism: Otter won´t trade Idaho´s water for advocacy science and pie-in-the-sky economic claims. Shocking!

Well, I´m guilty as charged. But I´m in pretty good company. Lots of Idahoans are on the receiving end these days as environmental extremists tar anyone disagreeing with their salmon restoration plans.

Their latest maneuver is an Oct. 30 motion filed with a federal judge in Portland, Ore. In it, environmentalists demand the entire Columbia and Snake river system, from the Pacific to Wyoming´s Jackson Lake, be included in a revised biological opinion detailing what federal regulators must do for salmon and steelhead recovery.

That means they want all the water in the Snake River Basin made available for saving wild fish runs. The motion asks U.S. District Judge James Redden to require the government to “employ a definition of the action area in its revised opinion that recognizes the full extent of the direct and indirect effects on the listed species of hydrosystem operations.”

That might be just so much legalese to most people. But to water users — and that´s all of us — it doesn´t get much scarier. It´s a direct and imminent threat to our state sovereignty and the livelihoods and property rights of hundreds of thousands of individual Idahoans.

Think this is just a rural problem? Think you´re safe in the city? Think again.

United Water Idaho in Boise put it well: “The economic vitality required to induce investment, create jobs and valley growth is directly tied to a reliable municipal water supply. The economic impact will be enormous if development is curtailed by moratorium or some other means due to municipal water shortfalls.”

That´s what happens when misguided activists drop the carrot of collaboration and start using the Endangered Species Act as a big stick.

Making matters worse are the clumsy attempts by the groups involved to make us think they´re harmless.

Sen. Mike Crapo staked his reputation and credibility on organizing talks between environmentalists and water users to keep the issue out of court. However, it seems pretty clear now that while the enviros were giving lip service to negotiation, they were plotting their next legal move. I think they owe the senator and water users an apology.

The Idaho Conservation League is staying out of this one, to its credit. But other environmental groups once again are using the most effective tools at their disposal: A volatile and corrosive mixture of activist judges and a once well-intentioned law that now sacrifices common sense and broader human interests for a strict code of biological diversity.

Still, the Coalition for Idaho Water remains ready for meaningful negotiations. I have my own opinions about what should be on the table, and it doesn´t include any of Idaho´s water beyond a willing-buyer, willing-seller process.

For now, it´s important that more people start seeing this entire campaign for what it is — a cynical exercise in legislation by litigation.

Idahoans who understand the stakes can see for themselves who the extremists really are."

Edition Date: 11-20-2003
 
If Otter and his group were in the "right", would they be worried about the possibility of a lawsuit? I think they know that these "extremists" have a legitimate complaint that they might be able to win in court. Now they're sweating bullets.

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If Otter weren't "sweating Bullets", then he would not be worried about this. The amount of stress by some of the Anti-Fishing/Anti-Hunting crowd for fear that the entire River may be required to solve the problems created by the 4 No-Value dams of the Lower Snake is quite entertaining.

And I think we know of Otter's record on taking care of our Rivers... MD4M, can you all let us know about Otter's settlement with the Federal Goverment for destorying wetlands???
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And I am not sure what is wrong with being called an Extremist, I think it probably is a compliment. Being Extreme in fighting for the right to catch Wild Salmon and Steelhead in Idaho sure seems like a Good thing.
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If you don't like my Extreme positions, then you better go strike deals with the moderate Ithicas and Buzz's of the world...
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Actually, the extremists are the ones who want to let the salmon go extinct. Otter was sentenced to pay a $50,000 fine to the EPA for destroying wetlands.

MD4m, why don't you go see if you can jump start the Curling Iron section?
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You're in way over your head in SI.
 
"MD4m, why don't you go see if you can jump start the Curling Iron section? You're in way over your head in SI."



LOL So Ithaca , now we see your a sexist as well as being an extremist greenie!!!!!
You do like women ,don't you ?
It's hard to tell from your post's , is it that you like women as long as they remember to stay in there place
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(Kissing your butt , hanging on your every word and pretending that we couldn't do anything with out you?)

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Well put MD4M.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> MD4m, why don't you go see if you can jump start the Curling Iron section? You're in way over your head in SI. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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"LOL So Ithaca , now we see your a sexist as well as being an extremist greenie!!!!!"

Not at all, Md, I just think the curling iron section needs some help and you'd be perfect for the job!
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Besides, most of these issues in SI are too complicated for ya!
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ithaca 37:
Actually, the extremists are the ones who want to let the salmon go extinct. Otter was sentenced to pay a $50,000 fine to the EPA for destroying wetlands.

MD4m, why don't you go see if you can jump start the Curling Iron section?
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You're in way over your head in SI.
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Ithaca is right MD4M - The bullshit is soooo deeep no wonder you are in way over your head. lol!
 
I think the dams should be blown up all at once and watch the carnage that will follow, just think of the wet lands that will be formed after the mass flood cleans out depressions in the earth!!!!
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