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Griz in Colo.?

MT has a good qty of Griz. More then enough to ensure those, "ESA" #'s... However, those anti-ESA groups will fight us tooth and nail to permit state Management.
Colorado will face the exact same and has a long road to come close to our point of the fight.

This is directly attributed to Yvon and his $$$. Open the can and deal with judicial obstruction and mis-information shared with the naive city folk flocking in to Denver, etc... From, well... Other areas they are trying to escape the political garbage, yet bring it with them.
 
There is absolutely no WAY, IN ANY POSSIBLE SCENARIO, WORLD, DREAM WORLD, LALA LAND WORLD, OTHER WORLD, ETC, that there are currently Grizzly bears in Colorado.

This is a fact. If you look at a map of G bear occurrence and the distance from Colorado, you'd have to be a DB Greentree to believe differently. WAnker.
 
Dinkshooter said:
There is absolutely no WAY, IN ANY POSSIBLE SCENARIO, WORLD, DREAM WORLD, LALA LAND WORLD, OTHER WORLD, ETC, that there are currently Grizzly bears in Colorado.

This is a fact. If you look at a map of G bear occurrence and the distance from Colorado, you'd have to be a DB Greentree to believe differently. WAnker.
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And we get Mountain lions in Iowa (and points yet further east all the time). No bear POPULATION, but that's not the same as no bear.
 
LuketheDog said:
100% Fact. There are grizzlies all over Colorado, in every wilderness area for sure, probably lots of national forest too. Take note out-of-staters, CPW is keeping it a secret because they want you to keep purchasing LOTS of OTC elk tags! You can't just ignore all those grizzly sightings every year, they can't all be black bears! It's a huge conspiracy...I bet...
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I don't think you're serious but if you are, baloney! Even the occasional wanderers are quite rare. Any resident grizzly will quickly make itself known by behavior. Misidentifications won't hide a real occurance if predation is involved. There are few areas in Colorado that aren't covered by people and grizzlies aren't at all as secretive as black bears. If grizzlies are present this year's big game seasons will produce credible sightings. Even so, a sighted individual doesn't make a population.
 
Hummer said:
I don't think you're serious but if you are, baloney! Even the occasional wanderers are quite rare. Any resident grizzly will quickly make itself known by behavior. Misidentifications won't hide a real occurance if predation is involved. There are few areas in Colorado that aren't covered by people and grizzlies aren't at all as secretive as black bears. If grizzlies are present this year's big game seasons will produce credible sightings. Even so, a sighted individual doesn't make a population.
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Oh, totally serious, always, it says so in my signature so it must be true..better go buy some bear spray fellas!
 
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A collared grizzly sow wandered into Unit 78 in Idaho a few years ago, just 6 miles north of the Utah border, before moving north back through Jackson and back into the Park. Ethyl, a different 19-year old collared sow, traveled 5,000 miles in only two years a while back as well.

I don't know whether a grizzly made it to Colorado or not, but I'm certainly not going to make a declarative statement that it's impossible. That just seems short-sighted.
 
grizzly_ said:
A collared grizzly sow wandered into Unit 78 in Idaho a few years ago, just 6 miles north of the Utah border, before moving north back through Jackson and back into the Park. Ethyl, a different 19-year old collared sow, traveled 5,000 miles in only two years a while back as well.

I don't know whether a grizzly made it to Colorado or not, but I'm certainly not going to make a declarative statement that it's impossible. That just seems short-sighted.
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Yeah I will declare with 100% certainty that Adam Greentree did not see a Grizzly in SW Colorado.

I mean come on a grizzly in 78 in Idaho versus the San Juans, 78 is 90 miles from the boundary of Teton National Park, and 50 miles from the boundary line of known grizzly distribution, is fairly contiguous habitat with the GYE, and there are a number of reports of collared bears getting close to that general area. I would totally believe that a bear made it into the north part of Utah.

But Greentree is claiming to have seen a bear 500 miles as the crow files from the park boundary, would have to skirt within 20-30 miles of Salt Lake (I can't believe it wouldn't be spotted) or cross the desert in Wyoming and once again would probably be spotted on the flats, and then would have to cross I-70, and then skirt a shit load of people.

Maybe, just maybe I would believe that a lone grizz had made it into the NW portion of CO by the Uintas, or maybe that one had gone from the Wind River to the Snowies, and down to North Park.... but a bear didn't do all that and then traverse the state.

With the same total number of hunters as WY and MT combined and with triple their combined population, and with back country activity to the point that CO is talking about banning dispersed camping because there are just too many people in the woods I can not accept that some remnant population of bears has survived 40 years in the San Juan's.


Now if I was on the JR podcast, I would put my tin foil hat on and posit that somebody did some bucket biology in SW CO and that's the bear he saw... but I try and save that hat for special occasions.
 
There have been GB reports in southwestern CO, especially the San Juans for many decades though, like Big Foot, no one can actually find one indisputably. I certainly believe a bear could disperse there from WY, but I do not believe there is any possibility of a relic population there. The difference between a single animal and a population is huge.

That said, we see individual wolves and moose from Minnesota end up in Missouri. Black Hills Mountain Lions cross the Mississippi, and Lynx have shown up in Iowa.

We VASTLY underrate the ability of animals to move. By multiple orders of magnitude. I would be surprised if a grizzly has NOT made it to Colorado in the last decade or two. Very surprised. And it was probably a young male. And it probably happened more than once. But I cannot prove it.
 
If there were griz in colorado then a lot of hikers would have been eaten by now. by the way they need to move that dark green coloration on that griz range map to LA and Frisco so people get some perspective on griz impact.
 
LuketheDog said:
100% Fact. There are grizzlies all over Colorado, in every wilderness area for sure, probably lots of national forest too. Take note out-of-staters, CPW is keeping it a secret because they want you to keep purchasing LOTS of OTC elk tags! You can't just ignore all those grizzly sightings every year, they can't all be black bears! It's a huge conspiracy...I bet...
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There not in every wilderness in CO but I do believe there are 1-2 in the state
 
BrentD said:
There have been GB reports in southwestern CO, especially the San Juans for many decades though, like Big Foot, no one can actually find one indisputably. I certainly believe a bear could disperse there from WY, but I do not believe there is any possibility of a relic population there. The difference between a single animal and a population is huge.

That said, we see individual wolves and moose from Minnesota end up in Missouri. Black Hills Mountain Lions cross the Mississippi, and Lynx have shown up in Iowa.

We VASTLY underrate the ability of animals to move. By multiple orders of magnitude. I would be surprised if a grizzly has NOT made it to Colorado in the last decade or two. Very surprised. And it was probably a young male. And it probably happened more than once. But I cannot prove it.
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Here's my issue, you can't compare a bear to a wolf or lion. Your average GPS tagged wolf or lion travels a lot more than your average GPS tagged bear.

There are grizzlies in the San Juans, so as the crow flies a bear made it 400 miles, using a logical route 600 miles, but bears haven't been able to recolonize the bighorns 60 miles away? Seriously? Like how is it people think there are bears in CO when it's a big deal when a bear is seen outside of Byron? Similarly people will say oh well there was a confirmed bear in the red desert north of rock springs... yeah that's 30 miles from know GPS locations... not 600 miles?

My issue is not will a/could a/has a bear made it into the state from Wyoming, sure... in the Unitas, maybe but I'm doubtful in North Park.

But there is no freaking way a bear traversed the entire state of Colorado north to south across the I-70, and hordes of recreationalists without being seen. Not to mention I-80, and coming within at minimum 30-40 miles of Salt Lake City and the 1.5 million people on the Wasatch front. It's a bear not a lion, they aren't exactly sneaky, and have a tendency to be out and about in the daylight.

If there is a bear in SW CO, then there is probably a guy with a horse trailer and a culvert trap that wanted to speed up the bear colonization process.
 
It took a heck of a long time for grizzlies to make the jump from the Madison Range to the Gravelly Range to the Snowcrest Range.
 
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