Football General Talk

[noharleyyet]

We might have been misreading Bill's interest in coaching college football. At least half the students are co-eds.

10 million dollars...Belichick's not afraid of the slings and arrows of having a much younger consort.

 

[BrentD]

10 million dollars...Belichick's not afraid of the slings and arrows of having a much younger consort.

One thing, maybe the only thing, I admire about Belichick is his lack of fear, or more precisely his lack of care about what others might think.

 

[VikingsGuy]

One thing, maybe the only thing, I admire about Belichick is his lack of fear, or more precisely his lack of care about what others might think.

There is a difference between courage and anti-social personality disorder - I am not convinced Bill is on the good side of that line.

 

[BrentD]

There is a difference between courage and anti-social personality disorder - I am not convinced Bill is on the good side of that line.

Oh, I absolutely agree with that. He is beyond rude, esp. for a public figure.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Oh, I absolutely agree with that. He is beyond rude, esp. for a public figure.

If he worked for the post office he would be a full on sociopath with body parts in the freezer.

 

[seeth07]

But is he a great coach? I mean his 8 super bowl wins (6 as head coach) clearly was just because he had Phil Simms and Tom Brady at QB so there is no way that makes him great right?

Sorry, couldn't resist...

 

[SwaggyD]

But is he a great coach?

Yes.

 

[VikingsGuy]

But is he a great coach? I mean his 8 super bowl wins (6 as head coach) clearly was just because he had Phil Simms and Tom Brady at QB so there is no way that makes him great right?

Sorry, couldn't resist...

Definitely a great coach (top 10 for sure).

Also a lousy general manager.

 

[noharleyyet]

Belichick's a throwback...he was able to get away with that whole schtick because he won...otherwise he would have had to be an interlocutor public relations player/fan ass kisser like the rest, Tomlin excepted.

 

[jabber]

Definitely a great coach (top 10 for sure).

Also a lousy general manager.

Would you rather have him or JJ as your GM?

 

[VikingsGuy]

Would you rather have him or JJ as your GM?

I'd take the Cowboys' 3 rings from the 1990s, and Bill's 6 with that Pats, and deal with their senior citizen shortcomings.

Also, as for Bill, got to remember the first 3 were under Pioli's GM watch and the second 3 had the table set by his work.

But just because you were great once, doesn't mean you are great today.

 

[SwaggyD]

Also a lousy general manager.

Didn't he also win 6 Super Bowls as a GM?

 

[VikingsGuy]

Didn't he also win 6 Super Bowls as a GM?

Technically, but most insiders think Pioli was architect of the roster build and salary cap management (the important GM stuff) that got them the first 3 and still had big impact on second 3 after he left. It wasn't until after he left that Bill actually got involved in that stuff. Have a buddy who is top attorney for Kraft family who said lots of folks think zero chance Bill gets the first few rings without Pioli, and without the first few wouldn't have been around long enough thereafter to get the others.

 

[SwaggyD]

Technically, but most insiders think Pioli was architect of the roster build and salary cap management (the important GM stuff) that got them the first 3 and still had big impact on second 3 after he left. It wasn't until after he left that Bill actually got involved in that stuff. Have a buddy who is top attorney for Kraft family who said lots of folks think zero chance Bill gets the first few rings without Pioli, and without the first few wouldn't have been around long enough thereafter to get the others.

Makes sense. Thanks.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

The Bill Belicheks and Bobby Knights of the coaching world are a thing of the past and were all worse off because of it.

 

[VikingsGuy]

The Bill Belicheks and Bobby Knights of the coaching world are a thing of the past and were all worse off because of it.

This is such a grumpy 75 yo take.

I reject the premise that being a complete narcissistic *sshole is a leadership style the world will miss.

 

[noharleyyet]

This is such a grumpy 75 yo take.

I reject the premise that being a complete narcissistic *sshole is a leadership style the world will miss.

You were so close to being my new google.


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[Hilljackoutlaw]

This is such a grumpy 75 yo take.

I reject the premise that being a complete narcissistic *sshole is a leadership style the world will miss.

This is such a coddled little 18 year old princess take.

 

[VikingsGuy]

This is such a coddled little 18 year old princess take.

Nahh, it's a "teams AND COACHES need to be held accountable, and folks work better longer when they feel respected" take. There is nothing snowflake about having enough self control not to punch or choke a young player or throw a chair in a public venue. That is completely phony tough guy stuff. There is nothing tough about mistreating people you have total power over -- that is the weak child. The strong man has self control and finds many better ways to lead men/boys.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Nahh, it's a "teams AND COACHES need to be held accountable, and folks work better longer when they feel respected" take. There is nothing snowflake about having enough self control not to punch or choke a young player or throw a chair in a public venue. That is completely phony tough guy stuff. There is nothing tough about mistreating people you have total power over -- that is the weak child. The strong man has self control and finds many better ways to lead men/boys.

Bobby is revered by pretty much all his peers and colleagues. But your right what do they know...I'll listen to the random armchair forum guy instead. Listen to guys who played for Bobby and tell me that the overwhelming majority didn't feel respected.