Football General Talk

[VikingsGuy]

Nobody would do that on purpose in the playoffs.

I don't know if we've exactly what KO's ideal dream offense looks like.
He was told by ownership to run it back with Zim's guys. Then he had to run it back with kurt again (which required a restructure and pushing money into the future), plus some of his and Kwesi's free agent and draft additions. Now a bridge year with darnold and more of their guys on the roster. Next year will be the first season where they get their hand-picked QB and are out from kurt's dead money.
I could see them prioritizing OL and DL in FA and spending big to be able to run the ball and stop the run a lot better. I know KO like's to pass the football, but I don't think his ideal offense throws the football 53.7% of the time like they did this year. 3.7% doesn't seem like a ton, but getting to 50/50 or leaning heavier towards the run may be the ideal offense for this team, we just haven't seen it yet.

I think you capture Kawasei’s vision. Word has it that KOC advocated to keep Kurt all three times it came up and that KOC was beginning to push for Sam - but I assume that changed. KOC loves his play book and just want to have somebody run it the way he has it in his head - and he wants that sooner than later. Also, don’t assume JJ was his guy. I heard he was really big on Maye and so-so on JJ, a no-go on Williams, Jaden & Nix as they weren’t good fits for his offense. And I do think in KOC’s world he would pass 65-70% and only run because he would feel guilty not to. Similarly, he wants those down the field and has limited interest (and unclear ability) to make screen game, swing game and short throws in the middle work for him.

 

[Wild Bill]

I don't see JJ stepping in and doing what Jayden Daniel's is doing this season in Washington.

How come? Nobody has given any significant data to prove otherwise? Is he a shoo-in top 10 QB in the league next year? No, but it doesn't mean he can't do what darnold did. Again, top 10 pick, would probably be a top 5 pick this year, if not first overall. Lotta upside there.

Also, is Darnold or Jones the right guy ahead to teach and work with JJ? Obviously with the injury I'm sure he didn't get a lot of the same type of mentoring from them in that locker room.

You don't bring in darnold or jones to teach McCarthy anything. Darnold was brought in as a bridge QB who had a magical season. Jones is another rehab project. They're not being brought in to save the franchise, or to teach the young QB. Thats why they hired a guy who is a former QB and has a track record of working with and developing young quarterbacks.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Ditto. And I'll give youy 10:1 odds.

Unforced error - never offer odds if you don’t have to. Set the hook and reel the true believer in.

 

[SwaggyD]

Testing a qb to see if they can run your game plan is why they play preseason games. Not in the first round of the playoffs.

What do you mean? The packers looked the same way on Sunday!

 

[Wild Bill]

What do you mean? The packers looked the same way on Sunday!

And the best part is they’re paying a QB that, as the youths say, is mid.

 

[Gellar]

What do you mean? The packers looked the same way on Sunday!

I don’t disagree with you at all. The packers didn’t take any steps forward as a team this year, in fact they took steps backward for what the preseason hype was. I don’t think lafleur is in jeopardy but they need to make big strides fast.

 

[SwaggyD]

Think about this, the packers were a blocked fg away from going 0-6 in the division, and only lost to 4 teams they played all year.

Vikings only lost to 2 teams all year, Lions and then Rams, twice.

 

[VikingsGuy]

 

[Elkmagnet]

What do you mean? The packers looked the same way on

In 4 hours you can watch all of Jordan Loves playoff film. Until I see otherwise he's closer to Sam Donald than packers fans care to admit.

 

[seeth07]

I don’t disagree with you at all. The packers didn’t take any steps forward as a team this year, in fact they took steps backward for what the preseason hype was. I don’t think lafleur is in jeopardy but they need to make big strides fast.

Idk about that. The team played well and didn't take any bad losses all season (well ok, maybe against the Bears in week 18). I see that as a sign of a well coached and well disciplined team which we didn't seem to always have last year. They were still were penalized a lot but less than last year.

Not counting week 18 to the bears, the losses were to teams that ended the season 14 and 3 or 15 and 2. Some tough breaks in those games too and it wasn't out of the question that they could have won two of them.

Defense was much improved all the way up to the 5th best overall on the league with 13th in pass defense and 7th in rushing. Significant improvement all around and a young defensive roster staged for big things next year.

So if I was the Packers GM, I'd be super happy with the team and it's progression. I'd be figuring out and tuning in to what could be changed to win those bigger games.

 

[VikingsGuy]

In 4 hours you can watch all of Jordan Loves playoff film. Until I see otherwise he's closer to Sam Donald than packers fans care to admit.

Until he proves otherwise, he is a $30M qb, not a $60M one - and overpaying him will drag down his roster over time.

 

[Gellar]

Idk about that. The team played well and didn't take any bad losses all season (well ok, maybe against the Bears in week 18). I see that as a sign of a well coached and well disciplined team which we didn't seem to always have last year. They were still were penalized a lot but less than last year.

Not counting week 18 to the bears, the losses were to teams that ended the season 14 and 3 or 15 and 2. Some tough breaks in those games too and it wasn't out of the question that they could have won two of them.

Defense was much improved all the way up to the 5th best overall on the league with 13th in pass defense and 7th in rushing. Significant improvement all around and a young defensive roster staged for big things next year.

So if I was the Packers GM, I'd be super happy with the team and it's progression. I'd be figuring out and tuning in to what could be changed to win those bigger games.

Do you honestly think they played well and were well disciplined? A well disciplined team does not commit personal fouls on the first drive of the second half when they desperately need a stop so the offense can get something going.

The packers, and coach Lafleur has said this, only put together 2 complete games the entire season, the 49ers game and the saints game. Yes, they won a lot of other games, but in each one of those games they had drives, quarters or halves in all phases of the game that were not representative of a well disciplined team.

 

[Gellar]

Think about this, the packers were a blocked fg away from going 0-6 in the division, and only lost to 4 teams they played all year.

Vikings only lost to 2 teams all year, Lions and then Rams, twice.

How’d the packers do against the Rams?

 

[SwaggyD]

How’d the packers do against the Rams?

How'd the packers do against the Vikings?

 

[Gellar]

How'd the packers do against the Vikings?

The Packers live rent free in the minds of the Vikings win or lose. After the Vikings won against the packers in week 17 the Vikings went 0-2. They lost complete focus and looked like one of the worst teams in the league. The Vikings look at their season as a success because they went 2-0 against the packers. They could have went 2-16 as long as those 2 were the packers.

 

[406dn]

The Packers live rent free in the minds of the Vikings win or lose. After the Vikings won against the packers in week 17 the Vikings went 0-2. They lost complete focus and looked like one of the worst teams in the league. The Vikings look at their season as a success because they went 2-0 against the packers. They could have went 2-16 as long as those 2 were the packers.

The Packers fan base holds more or less the same sentiment.

Since both teams are done, it is nice to be 2-0 against the Packers. Yes, the Vikings ended up with two bad losses. I don't see losing to the Bears and Eagles as great way to finish a season.

 

[seeth07]

Do you honestly think they played well and were well disciplined? A well disciplined team does not commit personal fouls on the first drive of the second half when they desperately need a stop so the offense can get something going.

The packers, and coach Lafleur has said this, only put together 2 complete games the entire season, the 49ers game and the saints game. Yes, they won a lot of other games, but in each one of those games they had drives, quarters or halves in all phases of the game that were not representative of a well disciplined team.

Yes I do. It's about having it together to be able to handle being down and not letting a game get away that shouldn't or being ahead and keeping humble and focused to get the job done. The team had that this year very much so like the Chiefs do. A refusal to lose a game you shouldn't.

The Packers were rightfully so a playoff caliber team and matched expectations about exactly. At the start of the season, no one was claiming them as a favorite to make the Super Bowl but they were in the group discussed as having a shot. Exactly the same spot at the start of the playoffs.

 

[SwaggyD]

The Packers live rent free in the minds of the Vikings win or lose. After the Vikings won against the packers in week 17 the Vikings went 0-2. They lost complete focus and looked like one of the worst teams in the league. The Vikings look at their season as a success because they went 2-0 against the packers. They could have went 2-16 as long as those 2 were the packers.

And the packers losses were good? Did you forget they lost to the bears between the vikings and eagles to end their season on a 3-game losing streak? They both suck, just that the packers suck more this year!

 

[Gellar]

The Packers fan base holds more or less the same sentiment.

Since both teams are done, it is nice to be 2-0 against the Packers. Yes, the Vikings ended up with two bad losses. I don't see losing to the Bears and Eagles as great way to finish a season.

I don’t know a single packers fan that has the sentiment.

I never said that losing to the bears and and the eagles was good. I said a big part of how the Vikings and their fans judge a season is how they do against the packers.

 

[Gellar]

And the packers losses were good? Did you forget they lost to the bears between the vikings and eagles to end their season on a 3-game losing streak? They both suck, just that the packers suck more this year!

I never said that. In fact if you look back I’ve been very critical of the packers. I don’t have blinders on for my team. I’ve called a spade a spade.