First they came for the Socialists.....

[James Riley]

Obama scoreboard taunted and ridiculed 'losers' for 8 years....awesome legacy.

Our perceptions differ. My blindness would not let me see that. All I saw was olive branches rejected by babies.

The pendulum swings.

And those who have it on their side always want the other side to join them or, at the very least, to temper the zeal with which they are pulling back. Because they know the hell they are eventually going to pay when it comes around.

But if they were truly concerned, they would, rather than calling on the other side to change their ways, themselves consider a little thing called magnanimity while they have it on their side. That is broad shoulders. And manly. And on the verge of extinction.

Alas, I don't think that will ever happen. Just as I see the left as the side that always has the olive branch out, people like NHY keep pointing back to the last eight years and see something completely different. He sees some overbearing liberal shoving shit down our collective throats, while I see a poor SOB who was left a platter of shit by a preceding eight years of stupidity, and who was stalled at every turn by a bunch of babies who would not take yes for an answer if it came from that overbearing liberal.

The view from "there" is so much different than the view from "here".

So, just remember, when it comes around, as it will, there will be hell to pay if there is no magnanimity now. And guess what? I will be there on the race to the bottom in an effort to win. I will cut off my own nose to spite my own face, so long as I can get my boot on the neck of those bastards who gloated and reveled in their temporary station.

And the pendulum will swing again. Someday it will stop swinging. And, much to the chagrin of both sides, it won't be on either side. The left wing and the right wing will belong to the same bird, as they always have. But the bird will be dead. So fking be it. Want to play? Let's play.

Otherwise, let's see an olive branch.

Nah, never mind. Too late. I'll just hide and wait. I'm patient like that.

 

[Gr8bawana]

I would suggest that denying 6 million people died in the Holocaust is a Bannon-esque level of insanity.

It's not insanity it's just their "alternative facts".

 

[noharleyyet]

Riley, did you peck that out in your bad boy voice?

 

[James Riley]

Riley, did you peck that out in your bad boy voice?

No. Envision, instead, an evil old man behind a curtain, rubbing his hands together in plotting glee, just waiting for his turn.

It won't be good enough to simply grind the boot. No, rather I'll have to find someone like Hillary to wear it. ;-). Nose/face, etc. Hell, might even go against my very fiber and and most dearly held personal interest in the 2nd. Amendment.

Conservative hatred pales in comparison to what liberals can do when they've had enough. Just ask the CSA. ;-)

 

[Gr8bawana]

Conservative hatred pales in comparison to what liberals can do when they've had enough. ;-)

While I don't often agree with JR I find this statement to be very true.

 

[noharleyyet]

Conservative hatred pales in comparison to what liberals can do when they've had enough. Just ask the CSA. ;-)

 

[mtmuley]

No. Envision, instead, an evil old man behind a curtain, rubbing his hands together in plotting glee, just waiting for his turn.

Hmmm. That's what I thought. mtmuley

 

[James Riley]

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History demonstrates that when America really wants to get shit done, they arm up the liberals. Monarchists, Racists, Imperialists, Fascists; ask them. Usually four years, max. However, when we are supporting those conservative freaks for our conservative economic interests, shit drags on forever.

War aside, it's a slow progression of dragging conservatives, kicking and screaming into the future, two steps forward, one step back, etc. In fact, every single thing that conservatives love and enjoy and seek to conserve at any given time was once zealously resisted by them when it was still a liberal idea in gestation. It's our lot in life.

That's a history you get *after* high school in those ivory tower, intellectual elitist institutions.

 

[Tradewind]

History demonstrates that when America really wants to get shit done, they arm up the liberals. Monarchists, Racists, Imperialists, Fascists; ask them. Usually four years, max. However, when we are supporting those conservative freaks for our conservative economic interests, shit drags on forever.

War aside, it's a slow progression of dragging conservatives, kicking and screaming into the future, two steps forward, one step back, etc. In fact, every single thing that conservatives love and enjoy and seek to conserve at any given time was once zealously resisted by them when it was still a liberal idea in gestation. It's our lot in life.

That's a history you get *after* high school in those ivory tower, intellectual elitist institutions.

Gee, kinda like a progressive justice warrior

 

[OriginalOscar]

Socialists want what's mine. I like guns. What's mine is still mine!

I would trade one American Socialist for two refugees. Enjoy your next protest in Syria, Somalia or Sudan.

 

[MTGomer]

History demonstrates that when America really wants to get shit done, they arm up the liberals. Monarchists, Racists, Imperialists, Fascists; ask them. Usually four years, max. However, when we are supporting those conservative freaks for our conservative economic interests, shit drags on forever.

War aside, it's a slow progression of dragging conservatives, kicking and screaming into the future, two steps forward, one step back, etc. In fact, every single thing that conservatives love and enjoy and seek to conserve at any given time was once zealously resisted by them when it was still a liberal idea in gestation. It's our lot in life.

That's a history you get *after* high school in those ivory tower, intellectual elitist institutions.

I agree with this, but who are the liberals? The face of what most Americans consider 'liberal' is very anti-liberal.

Who do you think is the most liberal in a classical sense in our government?

 

[VAspeedgoat]

I nominate this as next thread to get locked. Have fun guys, just a few more months till hunting season.

 

[antlerradar]

First they came for Big Oil and the coal miners and I cheered them on.

Then they came for the loggers and I said nothing as I didn't have a dog in the fight.

Then they came for the ranchers and I felt I could be better off in the end.

Then they came for the public land hunter and I was all alone

 

[MTGomer]

I nominate this as next thread to get locked. Have fun guys, just a few more months till hunting season.

It's always hunting season up here. Coyotes and wolves get us to spring bear. Gophers, prairie dogs and scouting gets us to aug15 for archery antelope.

 

[noharleyyet]

It's always hunting season up here. Coyotes and wolves get us to spring bear. Gophers, prairie dogs and scouting gets us to aug15 for archery antelope.

When is moonbat season over?

 

[MTGomer]

When is moonbat season over?

That's one of them revolving tags.

 

[James Riley]

I agree with this, but who are the liberals? The face of what most Americans consider 'liberal' is very anti-liberal.

Who do you think is the most liberal in a classical sense in our government?

Most Americans glean their definitions from suspect sources. Thus, "liberal" is not understood in the classical, or as I would call it, the correct, or traditional sense. Conservatives, like Newt Gingrich, endeavored to make "liberal" a dirty word. And, among the stupid people, he was very successful. There are a lot of stupid people. In fact, they outnumber the smart people. Even some liberals bought into this and searched for another term (progressive?) to call themselves.

You, MTGomer, obviously are not stupid and you understand the true meaning of "liberal." You must have gone to school or read, or paid attention. It's refreshing.

Anyway, I cannot answer your question. If there is a liberal out there in public office, his or her counsel is lost in the din. Part of it could be my fault, in that I do not actively seek out good people. They generally don't have a chance anyway, until such time as things force their hand. Then they rise to the occasion (if we are all lucky).

For anyone else who is interested, and for simplicity, imagine a circle. On that circle is a conservative who likes things they way they are. To his left is a moderate, who would like to move forward into the future, with trepidation/caution. To his left is a liberal, who wants to go boldly into the future/change. To the left of him is a radical who wants to upset the apple cart. If you go left of him, you find the anarchist.

If you go right of the conservative, you find the reactionary. He wants to go back to the way things used to be. To his right you find the anarchist and you've gone full circle. Once you reach anarchy, it no longer matters if you came from the right or left to get there.

These stations are actually not people. Rather, they are positions. So each person can be on any one of those on one issue, and another position on a different issue. You also have to consider the baseline and location. For instance, some would call gun control a liberal position. But it is actually a conservative or even reactionary position. The idea that any man could arm himself is and always has been a liberal, even radical idea.

Anyway, the din of the stupid people can indeed create change. A term like "liberal" can be watered down to the point that it must be qualified with terms like "classic" or "true" or "traditional". And people can create new words to define themselves, like "progressive" and whatnot. In the end though, I refuse to let others dictate the terms of debate or provide the definitions. I'm conservative that way, even reactionary. I want to go back to the days when Liberal Arts meant something. You know, like our founding fathers, all steeped in the liberal tradition, the Enlightenment, philosophy, languages (Latin, Greek, etc.), history, etc. The smart people. Oh well, like my D.I.s used to say, "Shit in one hand and want in the other. See what you get."

 

[James Riley]

First they came for Big Oil and the coal miners and I cheered them on.

Then they came for the loggers and I said nothing as I didn't have a dog in the fight.

Then they came for the ranchers and I felt I could be better off in the end.

Then they came for the public land hunter and I was all alone

That sounds like a dream come true. All alone, on all that public land, itself left alone.

 

[Straight Arrow]

For anyone else who is interested, and for simplicity, imagine a circle. On that circle is a conservative who likes things they way they are. To his left is a moderate, who would like to move forward into the future, with trepidation/caution. To his left is a liberal, who wants to go boldly into the future/change. To the left of him is a radical who wants to upset the apple cart. If you go left of him, you find the anarchist.

If you go right of the conservative, you find the reactionary. He wants to go back to the way things used to be. To his right you find the anarchist and you've gone full circle. Once you reach anarchy, it no longer matters if you came from the right or left to get there.

Very well expressed, that is a helpful description. You do tend to express much about much, but this one really is succinctly definitive.

 

[BuzzH]

First they came for Big Oil and the coal miners and I cheered them on.

Then they came for the loggers and I said nothing as I didn't have a dog in the fight.

Then they came for the ranchers and I felt I could be better off in the end.

Then they came for the public land hunter and I was all alone

Big business, and the corrupt politicians funded by same, being the "they" you're referring to?