First hand Covid symptoms

[OntarioHunter]

For sure there is a lot of misinformation and people who repeat untrue things, from average joes to public officials. It's hard to know what to believe.

That's weird about the deer. Was it a credible source? I've seen accounts of dogs and zoo animals getting it, but it's hard to imagine wild deer catching Covid.

"Credible source" is the key. Some folks look for the incredible. Reality is simply too boring. The sources touting quack cures for COVID are a prime example. Sure, we all wanted a quick fix. And I'd like a pair of Ruby Slippers so I can fly to Africa to hunt without sitting on a plane and/or in an airport for two days. But the reality is it takes time to reach the objective safely. The curious thing for me is the same people who gulped malaria meds are the ones who won't wear a mask or get vaccinated when it became available. Being a maverick is the American way. Frederick Jackson Turner pegged it a long time ago. His Frontier Thesis is an explanation for the ingenuity that made America what it is today. But like the COVID cures, both real and fake, we need to recognize the dangerous side effects of thinking outside the box. At what point do they outweigh the benefits?

 

[Dan O]

I've read this thread from the beginning. First off let me say I have not had covid "yet". I did get the Phizer shots in February. The first shot the only reaction was a sore arm for a day. The second shot I had no reaction for about 2 hours, then I got very tired and had a bad case of the chills. I went to bed with the electric blanket on high and was freezing. I slept hard for 2 hours and when I woke up I was still freezing. The electric blanket didn't phase it. I got back to normal the next day.
In late May I got my yearly check up and was told I had A-fib which was news to me. I've always had a low heart rate up until that day. A EKG confirmed the A-fib but to this day I have not ever felt the difference. It should be noted that since May 2020 I have dropped 80 Lbs and am working on dropping more. I'm feeling better now than I have for years. Did the shots have anything to do with the A-fib? I just don't know and the Dr. will not say yay or nay lol.
On June 1st I developed severe chest pain and had my wife drive to St. Pat's in Missoula. I figured the A-fib was the problem. Once I got to see the ER Doc they did tests and said it was not Heart related but my Gallbladder was the culprit. I was admitted and long story short I'm minus a gallbladder and now have a 8 1/4 inch scar and a sore chest wall from the cut muscles. Got out of the hospital on June 11th with 2 drain tubes for the next 5 weeks. Now getting back to almost normal "whatever normal is". Plus I tested neg twice for covid while in the hospital.
For me I chose to get the shots and many of my friends did also. I have friends who have chosen not to get the shots at this point. I will not judge either camp as I feel it is a personal choice and we have to live by our own choices. Those choices cover all of our lives ie: shots, drinking and driving, medications etc. We all make choices everyday that can and will effect our lives and those of our family's on a daily basis, covid shots are just one of those. So Now I live life one day at a time with my eye on enjoying the future. At 67 I'm not getting younger just better looking LOL.

 

[grizzly_]

To add to all the confusion I read today a news story that in Michigan 60% of whitetail deer tested had signs of or antibodies of Sars-Cov-2. Is that real? Is that true? And if so how do wild deer come in contact with it?

That's weird about the deer. Was it a credible source? I've seen accounts of dogs and zoo animals getting

"Credible source" is the key. Some folks look for the incredible. Reality is simply too boring.

Not to get off track, but this one might actually be real...

USDA STUDY: 60% of deer in Michigan tested were exposed to COVID-19

LANSING, Mich. - The U. S. Department of Agriculture recently completed a study that analyzed serum samples from free-ranging white-tailed deer for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. RELATED LINK:'Bambi,' fawn who went viral for befriending & cuddling with dog, diesResults of the study indicate that certain...

nbc25news.com

 

[OntarioHunter]

I've read this thread from the beginning. First off let me say I have not had covid "yet". I did get the Phizer shots in February. The first shot the only reaction was a sore arm for a day. The second shot I had no reaction for about 2 hours, then I got very tired and had a bad case of the chills. I went to bed with the electric blanket on high and was freezing. I slept hard for 2 hours and when I woke up I was still freezing. The electric blanket didn't phase it. I got back to normal the next day.
In late May I got my yearly check up and was told I had A-fib which was news to me. I've always had a low heart rate up until that day. A EKG confirmed the A-fib but to this day I have not ever felt the difference. It should be noted that since May 2020 I have dropped 80 Lbs and am working on dropping more. I'm feeling better now than I have for years. Did the shots have anything to do with the A-fib? I just don't know and the Dr. will not say yay or nay lol.
On June 1st I developed severe chest pain and had my wife drive to St. Pat's in Missoula. I figured the A-fib was the problem. Once I got to see the ER Doc they did tests and said it was not Heart related but my Gallbladder was the culprit. I was admitted and long story short I'm minus a gallbladder and now have a 8 1/4 inch scar and a sore chest wall from the cut muscles. Got out of the hospital on June 11th with 2 drain tubes for the next 5 weeks. Now getting back to almost normal "whatever normal is". Plus I tested neg twice for covid while in the hospital.
For me I chose to get the shots and many of my friends did also. I have friends who have chosen not to get the shots at this point. I will not judge either camp as I feel it is a personal choice and we have to live by our own choices. Those choices cover all of our lives ie: shots, drinking and driving, medications etc. We all make choices everyday that can and will effect our lives and those of our family's on a daily basis, covid shots are just one of those. So Now I live life one day at a time with my eye on enjoying the future. At 67 I'm not getting younger just better looking LOL.

I'm a year older than you and also divested of my gallbladder earlier this year. The big scar tells me you had a major infection that needed to be cleaned up. Were you not in pain for some time before critical event that took you to the hospital? My gallbladder was removed via arthroscopic surgery during pandemic semi lockdown at hospital. I was back to normal the next day with only three small incisions.

If you lost eighty pounds and still losing more, you had a serious weight problem that I'm sure your doctor concurs contributed to your heart problems. Or it may just be genetic. You're at the age when need for pacemaker intervention often shows up even in the fittest of folks. Lots of other better explanations for your health issues than blaming it on vaccination. Losing eighty pounds in three months seems a bit drastic. Be careful. Hopefully you are doing this with guidance from your doctor. Very important given your heart condition. Great to hear you are making significant progress and feeling better. Keep it up.

Edit: My daughter had a similar reaction to vax (chills, headache, and weakness). I drove across the border to Minneapolis VA hospital for Johnson vax in May. Some fatigue the next day but it was a fourteen hour drive essentially nonstop. Not even a sore arm. The lack of reaction kinda concerned me. Is it even working?

 

[406dn]

Losing eighty pounds in three months seems a bit drastic.

He stated since May 2020, so 80# in a year and change.

 

[OntarioHunter]

He stated since May 2020, so 80# in a year and change.

Oops. That's a reasonable pace.

 

[Dan O]

OntarioHunter nope no pain until the 1st then surgery on the 3rd. The Dr. said there was a large stone blocking the bile duct, 3/4 inch he said. Not a B&C stone, but big enough for me.

As for reactions to the shot it seems to effect everyone differently. Chills and being tired seem somewhat common from some. Glad that's all there was.

As for my weight after I retired I gained quite a bit but that's changing and I'm stilling working on it. For me it's something I need to keep at each day. Been retired for 17 years and enjoying it.

 

[OntarioHunter]

OntarioHunter nope no pain until the 1st then surgery on the 3rd. The Dr. said there was a large stone blocking the bile duct, 3/4 inch he said. Not a B&C stone, but big enough for me.

As for reactions to the shot it seems to effect everyone differently. Chills and being tired seem somewhat common from some. Glad that's all there was.

As for my weight after I retired I gained quite a bit but that's changing and I'm stilling working on it. For me it's something I need to keep at each day. Been retired for 17 years and enjoying it.

Three quarters inch is a whopper. My gallstone was 3/8" and I was in pain off and on for at least six months before surgery. A couple of times hunting birds in Montana last fall I was worried I wouldn't make it back to the vehicle. Hernia was also giving me trouble. Curious why your surgeon didn't elect to go with much less invasive arthroscopy. Very rare now that they open up patients stem to stern like the old days. Good to hear you're making headway with weight problem. I once lost fifty pounds back in the seventies and kept it off.

 

[WVmike]

I have been lucky to not get covid but I have been working as a nurse for the past 3 years and I've taken care of patients that ranged from not having symptoms at all to having to lie prone in order to be able to breath. Some of them would have to lie prone and turn over to take a bite to eat or drink and roll back over immediately to catch their breath. Others having taking their last breath in the hospital with no one there but the nurse due to the unknown things about the virus. It was a bit of an overwhelming thing to watch in the beginning when covid first started. It affects people very differently and it does things that you wouldn't expect it. It is definitely not a joke and hopefully it will be a page in the history books and not a thing to worry about every winter. Speedy recovery to everyone that has had to deal with this stuff.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

I guess I don't see the need for societal pressure to get everyone vaccinated.

Generally speaking I agree with personal choice and discretion over one's body. However, in matter's of public health I take exception because you are putting others at risk with your choices.

Vaccinations have been required by law (various jurisdictions) in this country for my entire life. In 1922 a suit was brought against a school district in Texas for requiring small pox vaccination, Zucht v. King. It made it to the supreme court, the court found that;

"City ordinances making vaccination a condition to attendance at public or private schools and vesting broad discretion in health authorities to determine when and under what circumstances the requirement shall be enforced are consistent with the Fourteenth Amendment, and, in view of prior decisions, a contrary contention presents no substantial constitutional question"

These are and were the vaccination requirements I had to meet when I attended public school in Colorado.




These are the current requirements and are the same requirements as when I attended College in VT.


To attended medical school and get a medical license my wife has to do the following.

Influenza - Every year
Tuberculin Skin Test - Every year


So to be a licensed medical practitioner in the US you probably have had to of had 10 - 30+ vaccinations.

To have attended primary school, any preschool, or college ... 8 or more vaccinations.

These have been the requirements for over 30 years.

With some exceptions, the vast majority of anti-vaxxers have already had many vaccines for many diseases.

Hesitancy for the Covid vaccine is a problem, the anti-vaccine rhetoric is absolutely devastating for our public health system.

 

[OntarioHunter]

Yep, and I saw something in the news when in Montana last week about the quandary in the US military over getting men and women to accept COVID vaccination. What the hell! When I was in the Army we didn't have a choice. Every soldier's body is considered govt property. Get VD and you get an Article 15 and punishment ... and no good conduct medal when discharged. Get a sunburn off duty and you can get an Article 15. No choice when I stood in line for plague, etc vaccinations before I shipped overseas.

 

[CowboyLeroy]

It finally happened here, no smell, bad congestion, and a sore back. But I do get to spend 10 days shut in with Mrs. Leroy

 

[RobertD]

Not to get off track, but this one might actually be real...

USDA STUDY: 60% of deer in Michigan tested were exposed to COVID-19

LANSING, Mich. - The U. S. Department of Agriculture recently completed a study that analyzed serum samples from free-ranging white-tailed deer for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. RELATED LINK:'Bambi,' fawn who went viral for befriending & cuddling with dog, diesResults of the study indicate that certain...

nbc25news.com

Wow. That is a serious head scratcher for sure.

 

[Dougfirtree]

Sorry, I didn't catch Big Fin's reminder before posting.

Before leaving the vaccine derailment, let me add this sad story. December 18, 2009, I was sitting at the dining room table with my fourteen year-old son watching the new Transformers movie on my laptop. Suddenly Wesley's head tipped down and slumped slightly. I hollered at him but no response for maybe fifteen seconds then he was back. I wasn't sure, but it was probably a partial epileptic seizure. He had two full blown ones back to back on 15 Nov and a partial eleven days later. Pediatrician said that wasn't enough. Wes needed another grand mal before he would consider medicating (even though my wife, her mother, and both uncles were epileptic). Should I take him to the hospital anyway? He seemed tired but otherwise fine. We put him to bed. He never woke up. Not a day goes by that I don't beat myself up for not going to the hospital with him that night. Or getting a neurologist involved instead of relying on the advice of a post natal specialist. You can choose to not get vaxed because that's your right. But what about your loved ones? Don't they have the right to a healthy future free of guilt for not helping or insisting that you make the right choice? What about their mental health? When you make the choice to have a family, your body doesn't just belong to you anymore. It belongs to them too. Do it for them. I would run into a burning house to save my grandson and not give it a second thought. Not even think about it. Do you think I'm going to balk at a skinny needle jabbing me in the arm? Really? Pffft.

Ontario, I've "known" you for years, but never heard the story of how Wesley died. That must have been incredibly hard and I'm sorry. I think any parent would beat themselves up in that situation, but as parents, we're presented with these really difficult judgement calls about how much to trust our guts vs. what others (including doctors) are telling us. And the sad truth is that both sources get it wrong sometimes, so there's no easy way of knowing whether you're getting it right. It's just hard. For what it's worth, I hope you have some compassion for yourself, as well. I'm sure you're a good, caring, hard-working parent.

 

[Dan O]

OntarioHunter,
Due to the condition the gallbladder had grown onto the bile duct. Thus making it impossible to remove it without opening me up and place a t-tube into the bile duct after the gallbladder was removed. The stone was in the bile duct and not in the gallbladder. One of the surgeons described it as a mess. He also said that if the main surgeon had not been there they would have transferred me to Spokane. But I'm on the mend and life is good.

 

[Irrelevant]

Generally speaking I agree with personal choice and discretion over one's body. However, in matter's of public health I take exception because you are putting others at risk with your choices.

Vaccinations have been required by law (various jurisdictions) in this country for my entire life. In 1922 a suit was brought against a school district in Texas for requiring small pox vaccination, Zucht v. King. It made it to the supreme court and who found that;

"City ordinances making vaccination a condition to attendance at public or private schools and vesting broad discretion in health authorities to determine when and under what circumstances the requirement shall be enforced are consistent with the Fourteenth Amendment, and, in view of prior decisions, a contrary contention presents no substantial constitutional question"

These are and were the vaccination requirements I had to meet when I attended public school in Colorado.
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These are the current requirements and are the same requirements as when I attended College in VT.
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To attended medical school and get a medical license my wife has to do the following.

Influenza - Every year
Tuberculin Skin Test - Every year


So to be a licensed medical practitioner in the US you probably have had to of had 10 - 30+ vaccinations.

To have attended primary school, any preschool, or college ... 8 or more vaccinations.

These have been the requirements for over 30 years.

Nothing I say will change your mind. But I'll offer my thoughts via pm.

 

[F250]

Covid seems to affect the body in many ways. A close friend had a terrible time with it last February. He came down with it between getting the first and second shot. He is diabetic. He still has no taste or smell. His wife had to call Rescue a couple weeks ago as he couldn't get out of his tractor cab. Rescue arrived and had him drink a glass of maple syrup as fast as he could. He has not been able to stabilize his blood sugar since his bout with Covid. Rescue folks advised him that they had recently treated six other diabetic, Covid survivors who were having the same issue.

 

[Sytes]

He is diabetic

Wow! What a challenge! I've witnessed a few times where my wife (T1 Diabetic) crashed quickly. Once where I thought she might not make it and medics called... unconscious with slight convulsions and medics 1/2hr out from call time.

I'm going to share this with her. Aside from getting vaccinated, any other medical info shared from the MD side to maintain the status quo, outside living in a bubble?

 

[OntarioHunter]

Covid seems to affect the body in many ways. A close friend had a terrible time with it last February. He came down with it between getting the first and second shot. He is diabetic. He still has no taste or smell. His wife had to call Rescue a couple weeks ago as he couldn't get out of his tractor cab. Rescue arrived and had him drink a glass of maple syrup as fast as he could. He has not been able to stabilize his blood sugar since his bout with Covid. Rescue folks advised him that they had recently treated six other diabetic, Covid survivors who were having the same issue.

I never objected to moving diabetics and heart patients to the front of the vax line with first responders. It was clear from the onset what COVID could do to those folks. We don't hear about it but I'm sure smokers must also be hugely at risk. They chose to put themselves at risk for many things so I could see no point in moving them to the front. Make your bed, you sleep in it.

F 250, is your friend on the pump? It was a game changer for my brother. A shame he had to wait for Medicare before he could get his. I offered to buy one for him but he declined (pride over health). Instead I bought him quality insulin up here and shipped it to Montana. Someplace he must have several dozen beverage size coolers big enough to hold a couple vials and a few frozen goose sausages. If your friend does have the pump, he probably couldn't hear the alarm go off in the tractor. He should find a smart phone with earplug jack. One morning the first year Mike hunted with me in Montana after getting his pump I mentioned someone kept trying to text him in the night. His bunk is above mine in the trailer. "Not texting. It was the pump alarm telling my phone my sugar was low." Yikes! I put a small hook in the wall so he could hang his phone in half a sandwich bag next to his head. We both need hearing aids.

I am surprised your friend's wife didn't know what to do. Been there many times with Mike. Packing out his elk back in 1980 I sent him up the mountain to the horses with one hind quarter on Dad's GI pack board while I finished butchering the bull. Got it done and still no Mike. "Hey, are you okay up there?" Long silence. "Nooo." Crap. I find him about half way to the horses sitting on the ground and very confused. Popped a couple of candy bars in him while I hauled the quarter to horses. By the time I got to him with the second quarter he was cogent enough to climb up to the trail on his own ... thankfully. I don't see how I could have carried him up that rock face. He had to ride out and the front quarters had to wait a day. The next morning I called in at the plant (again) and Dad went up with me to get the rest of the meat and 7 pt rack.

 

[Wildabeest]

I had two close work colleagues in South Africa both lose their wives to COVID this week. Both were mothers of young children, and my heart breaks for them. I also have an employee in India whose entire family recently came down with it. He and his wife were in ICU for nearly a week - fortunately they pulled through and now recovering at home.

We should all take a moment to think about how fortunate we are in this country such that anyone who wants a vaccine can get it. We also have access to the best healthcare on the planet. That is not the case in most of the world. This thing is far from being done inflicting it’s pain and misery on the world. Whether you choose to get vaccinated or not, we should not get complacent or dismissive of the ongoing threat. And we should think about and pray for those less fortunate who don’t have the options we do.