Hem
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I'd happily turn the page back on most all of it...
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If we replaced every instance of the word E bike in your post with the word “motorcycle”, would you feel differently?
If so,why?
Good question Nameless Range, here are some more thoughts you have generated. Motorcycles make noise pollution, e bikes do not. Motorcycles make fumes - smell, e bikes do not. Motorcycles cause environmental damage, e bikes leave no more marks on the environment than horses or pedal bikes (which e bikes are, you do have to pedal). Those are the differences I see. I would never advocate that these bikes should be allowed in Wilderness nor on non - motorized trail systems at all. There are lots of other places to do this.
This past fall I made a trip to Idaho into the Sawtooth mountains. Motorcycles rode past us everyday, I see the e bike as a very effective tool to even these odds up for me in a way that is much easier on the land and critters than motorcycles...and i will not smell like gas or tailpipe fumes.
Now that is an interesting piece! This may sway my opinion some...I've never looked at horse back as destructive, but If the bicycle is less so, who is to say?Agree. They are motorized and have no place on designated non motorized routes. Bicycle tires, per a Montana State University peer reviewed research noted they cause less damage/erosion to the environment than hooved pack animals.
https://scholarworks.montana.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1/6831/31762100885266.pdf;sequence=1
A guy on an e-bike would pollute my field of view.
No, you can throw all them in too.Any more than a couple of horses, dudes, and a pack string?
He made a comment that did get me thinking a bit, "without the aid of the electric bike he would not be able to participate in the hunt with his son and grandson", health issues.
This was in western Washington; no public land to speak of, private timberland is about all there is and the logging roads go on forever behind locked gates. The country pretty much sucks in that regard.So did he mention this was the only place they could hunt? Wondering if there was another piece of piece of public he could have hunted with his family without the ebike.
I had some great hunts with my 88 year old granddad and my son with his 2 bum hips on public no ebike required.
This was in western Washington; no public land to speak of, private timberland is about all there is and the logging roads go on forever behind locked gates. The country pretty much sucks in that regard.
I thought that was pretty common knowledge, I know I've read a couple of papers that came to the same conclusions. I'll have to see if I can track them down.Bicycle tires, per a Montana State University peer reviewed research noted they cause less damage/erosion to the environment than hooved pack animals.
https://scholarworks.montana.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1/6831/31762100885266.pdf;sequence=1
I thought so as well... leave it to the "flat earthers" to rationalize otherwise. I prefer to share the links vs saying such w/o.I thought that was pretty common knowledge, I know I've read a couple of papers that came to the same conclusions. I'll have to see if I can track them down.
A motorized vehicle is still motorized wheaten its electronic or fuel feed
A motorized vehicle is still motorized wheaten its electronic or fuel feed
Just where is such a placeOk there is country for the 76 year old guy to hunt with his family that would not have required a $3000 ebike?
Not trying to argue, just trying to understand the guys reasoning.
That pretty vagueJust about anywhere.