Dubya Toughens His Anti-Fishing Policies. Banning Hunting will be his Next Effort.

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Bush seeks to shrink habitat for salmon, keep dams intact

The Bush administration on Tuesday proposed cutting the habitat federally designated critical to the recovery of threatened and endangered salmon by more than 80 percent in the Northwest and 50 percent in California, focusing protection on rivers where the fish now thrive.
Also on Tuesday, the Bush administration ruled out the possibility of removing federal dams on the Columbia and Snake rivers to protect 11 endangered species of salmon and steelhead.

In an opinion issued by the fisheries division of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, the government declared that the eight large dams on the lower stretch of the two rivers are an immutable part of the salmons' environment. |oo Perhaps the stupidest conclusion ever drawn.... :BLEEP:

Based on public comments received over the next six months, the critical salmon habitat could be reduced even more, said Bob Lohn, northwest regional administrator for NOAA Fisheries, the federal agency responsible for saving salmon from extinction.

Large areas could be taken out where state and federal habitat protections are already in place, such as national forests covered by the Northwest Forest Plan, and places where the economic benefits of development outweigh the biological benefits of habitat.

As a result of a lawsuit brought by the National Association of Home Builders, NOAA Fisheries agreed to reconsider critical habitat designations for 13 groups of salmon in the Northwest and seven in California that were listed as threatened or endangered.

The critical habitat proposal pleased the home builders association, which has been chafing under the costs of getting federal permits for development in wetlands.

``Recognizing the importance of economic costs and trying to minimize the impact on industry in areas where there are low values to species and high economic costs are well in line with NAHB's policies,'' said Michael Mittelholzer, director of environmental policy for the association.

Based on the standard that critical habitat should provide for recovery, not just survival of a species, the critical habitat designation originally included rivers accessible to salmon, even if no fish occupied them, and covered most of Washington, Oregon and California and parts of Idaho.

On the question of dam removal, NOAA Fisheries released the final version of its latest court-ordered plan for operating hydroelectric dams on the Columbia and Snake rivers in Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Montana.

Endangered fish, the opinion said, can be protected by a variety of measures, including carrying fish around dams and building weirs - a new technology that works like a water slide - to ease young fishes' journey through dams as they swim downstream to the ocean. The total cost of the 10-year effort was projected at $6 billion. Assuming annual expenditures of $600 million, this represents a slight increase over existing spending for this purpose.

``It is clear that each of the dams already exists, and their existence is beyond the present discretion'' of the federal agencies to reverse, the opinion said.

The decision is a departure from the Clinton administration's approach to salmon protection. In 2000, it adopted a policy that allowed for dam removal, although only if all other measures had failed to protect the fish.

The biological opinion must gain approval of a federal judge before going into effect.

The Bush administration opinion, first released in draft form in September, provoked immediate outrage on the part of environmentalists, some tribal groups and a commercial fishing group, who see it as another in a series of federal actions weakening protection for the salmon that are an integral part of the regional identity of the Northwest, and whose numbers have been decimated over the decades by overfishing, dam construction, industrial pollution and suburban sprawl.

Environmentalists and Indian tribes continue to believe removing four dams on the lower Snake River is the best way to restore Columbia Basin salmon.

``The tribes made treaties 150 years ago to carry on a way of life,'' said Olney Patt Jr., executive director of the Columbia River Inter-Tribal Fish Commission. ``Now we see the federal government turning its back on that commitment and sacrificing salmon for the operation of the dams.''

Commercial river users were pleased.

``The new baseline which includes the dams in place should help focus the region on real solutions rather than shifting attention into a division fight to breach dams or don't, where millions of dollars has been spent over the last 10 years,'' said Glenn Vaneslow of the Northwest Waterways Association, which represents grain growers, towboat companies, and utilities.

Critical habitat designations for salmon, including metropolitan areas of Portland, Seattle, and Sacramento, were dissolved in 2002 after the National Association of Home Builders filed a lawsuit arguing that an analysis finding no significant economic impact was inadequate.

A new economic analysis found salmon protections cost the Northwest economy about $223 million a year, with no significant economic benefits.

Glen Spain of the Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen's Associations said the economic analysis failed to take into account the benefits of a commercial fishing industry once worth $1 billion a year.

``Salmon have been reduced to a small part of their habitat, and that's why they are endangered,'' said Patti Goldman, an attorney for Earthjustice, an environmental public interest law firm in Seattle. ``They should be asking what amount of habitat salmon need to recover and they are not asking that question.''

Lohn said the reduction was largely due to using maps with finer detail and limiting the designation to good habitat salmon actually occupy.

Lohn said protection for salmon would not be reduced by the habitat reductions, because developers on private land needing federal permits and projects on federal lands still have to consult agency biologists to assure they did not harm salmon.

Earlier this year the fisheries division proposed including fish bred in hatcheries along with their wild cousins when calculating whether a salmon species is still endangered.

Environmentalists say that the administration is retreating from the goal of recovering salmon to robust populations, settling for the status quo.

One representative of the National Wildlife Federation said the letter to the citizens does not have the standing of the formal biological opinion, and as such, represents no legal commitment. John Kober, the wildlife program manager in the group's Seattle office, said, ``What we'd likely find if this plan were carried out in 10 years is exactly where we are today - fish hovering near extinction thresholds and never getting one step closer to recovery.''

The National Wildlife Federation, along with the state of Oregon, successfully sued the Commerce Department, parent of the fisheries service, winning a judgment in 2003 that found that the Clinton policy, which included the possibility of dam removal among other remedies - was too vague and did not go far enough to protect the fish.

That judgment, by Judge James Redden of U.S. District Court, opened the door for the Bush administration to revisit the issue and produce the opinion announced on Tuesday.
 
"...The decision is a departure from the Clinton administration's approach to salmon protection. In 2000, it adopted a policy that allowed for dam removal, although only if all other measures had failed to protect the fish.

The biological opinion must gain approval of a federal judge before going into effect...."

I hope they get a judge with a brain!
 
OK now I have you two figured out!! You are both greenie, tree huggin' PETA types!! I was new to the site when I got hooked into your ban ATV thread. So you think Clinton was a good guy and that Bush is bad for not wanting to tear down the freakin' dams?? I lived in Oregon for 14 years and you guys are smokin' dope if you think it would be a good idea to blast the dams out. You protect the salmon and kill off one of the best walleye and smallmouth fisheries above them. If they protect the streams from clearcutting and erosion and get rid of the Bolt decision that allowed the frikkin indians to net 50% of the salmon out of the rivers every year the fishery would do just fine. Nice to see the demo socialists participate in hunting sites. By the way I fish Oregon every spring and fall and that fishery is the best I have sen it for the last 30 years.
 
ringer, man you get fired up easily. I think gunner and IT are going to have fun with you by throwing out a hook once in awhile. Don't let this ruin your stay on this board or I am guessing it will be a short one.

By the way, could you define what a PETA type is in reference to IT and Gunner. I know there are lots of things they can be called, but not sure if "PETA types" is one of them. :D
 
ringer, many of us in Idaho would like to see the four lower Snake River dams breached. They've decimated our salmon and steelhead fishing. I'm sorry if that would hurt your walleye fishin', but we'd rather stay in Idaho and catch steelhead.
 
I do like those big steelies on the Clearwater. I still say that the worst thing for the runs was clearcutting up the streams and the dams have done a pretty good job with escapement. Anyway it will never happen in a million years. Just like the greenies whining and suing to blow the canyon dam on Powell. Not ever will that happen unless it's done by terrorists.
 
ringer, First of all lets get the terminology right. "Breaching the dams " doesn't mean they are going to be blown up with bombs or explosives.

We've written whole books here in SI on the dam breaching topic. I'm pretty sure if you were to look at the last year's topics you'd find just about every side of the argument presented in many salmon/steelhead/dam topics.
 
ringer, They won't be "removing" the dams, either. Breaching means they'll just dig a canal around them. I just want to get the terminology straight if you're going to try to debate this topic, which I wouldn't advise until you are real well prepared.
 
I have a bit of advice for you as well. Waste some more of your ample time and pull articles about the Glen Canyon dam and Bonneville and returning the rivers to free flow to protect the chub minnow and salmon.You can say canals around the dams if you want but it would be the same result of destroying a power source and in the case of the southwest eliminating most of the water for Nevada, southern Cal and Arizona. Do you have an alternative to supply the needs to those tens of millions of US citizens? Maybe they can just all move to Idaho. We are in the 7th year of serious drought in the SW and lake powell is almost down to the chutes.
 
Hey MTMiller,

I am guessing my PETA membership would get revoked pretty quick. I seem to be a bit hard on the occasional critter that gets in my scope's field of view....

And I think ol' Ringer is ok, he is probably just struggling with a drinking problem or perhaps he has reached, according to numerous studies on aging, the age where the mind no longer can process new ideas and information. And instead, people that get old start rejecting new ideas, as they really don't have the capability to process the new ideas. People generally say they are "set in their ways", but in cases like ringer's, it is actually a sign of aging and mental deficiencies.

I mean, let's be serious, could you imagine anybody stupid enough to not want to breach dams, in order to restore Salmon and Steelhead, because of impacts to trashfish (ie... smallmouth and walleye)?

That is almost as stupid as his claim that the Indians are netting millions of smolts on their way to the ocean. I am kind of thinking ol' ringer isn't the brightest bulb on the Christmas Tree.
 
Must be the Idaho water or inbreeding but I never mentioned smolt did I? You ever hear of the Bolt decision? I gotta have my last glass of wild turkey and take my hot water bottle to bed. I'll be at the shop at 4 am and am gonna get after you whipperoff snappers then. Night kids.

Dad
 
Just kind of shows how little you know about the issues affecting Salmon if you think the Indians are the cause of the problems. The whole issue about breaching dams has nothing to do with helping Adult salmon and steelhead return FROM the Ocean, but has to do with increasing survival rates of smolts going TO the Ocean.

MTMiller was right, you are easy to "bait"... You got hooked on that one pretty dang easy.... Might want to start reading up on some of these issues before you wade into the fray. So far you are looking like you don't really understand the issues....

Oh well, maybe tomorrow you will be able to learn something....
 
More Commentary on Dubya's Anti-Fishing Agenda

No relief for salmon in Bush regimen
Administration drops river protection crucial to the fish's recovery

COMMENTARY

Every step of the way, it seems, the Bush administration declares itself against nature. On environmental issues, as in most everything else, the message is clear: No accommodation is wanted, or necessary.

In the Bush world of nature, no right of a fish or animal species is apparently enough to cause discomfort to any citizen holding a deed to land anywhere in America. This must be what they mean by achieving an ''ownership society.'' The more the land is owned by individuals, the more privatized, the less there is in commons, the less we have the right to even care what happens to any of the natural wonders of Indian country's remarkable landscape.

"A flip-flop on Salmon"
This season the pressure is again on the Pacific salmon. The ''dry-out'' of the salmon has begun in earnest, as the Bush administration has opted to drop protection from four-fifths of protected rivers, judged crucial to the recovery of salmon and steelhead, from Southern California to the Canadian border.

Declaring that these are no longer critical for salmon and steelhead recovery, tens of thousands of miles of river have been set loose for change and exploitation in the broadest environmental policy reversal in recent history. Down to only 27,000 miles of river, according to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Fisheries, the federal agency assigned to handle salmon recovery. ''A flip-flop on Salmon,'' the Idaho Statesman calls it.

The decision reverses what had been a crowning touch of the Clinton administration, when in 2000 NOAA Fisheries defined the comprehensive system of rivers and policy protection needed for salmon and steelhead recovery.

The approach to major change and mayhem is simply to shift the rule defining what constitutes critical habitat. Critical habitat is a legal definition to describe areas ''essential'' for the survival of threatened or endangered species. Eighty percent of rivers that had been considered essential to salmon and steelhead survival, according to the Endangered Species Act, now five years later, are apparently no longer considered critical. A free-for-all of projects is expected.

Federal officials speak of ''carefully balancing the needs of threatened and endangered salmon against human demands for water, energy, timber and real estate along the Northwest's cold-flowing rivers.'' Last week, too, the administration finalized a decision that rejects the proposal to demolish the Snake River hydropower dams, as a way to help restore salmon runs. In this equation, as with so many of the recent changes on environmental protection, the environment loses.

Tribes depend on the fishery
Who got their way? The National Association of Home Builders, which sued after the 2000 designation, spearheaded the developers' drive. A federal court agreed and considered their economic loss more important than the needs of the fish. Now the federal agency is forced to scramble to please them - the rule change allows for exemptions for property owners in broad areas of the Northwest and California. Who lost, beside the salmon and their immediate natural relations? The American Indian tribes with treaty rights to salmon and who depend on the fishery, both traditionally and commercially. Also, many small towns along Central Idaho's Salmon River. The fishing season is perhaps worth tens of millions of dollars a year for them.

While the feds argue that the change will help them focus recovery efforts where they would do the most good, natural resource specialists warn that it will set back recovery, perhaps irreparably. To be fair, the agencies committed to expanding efforts to reduce predators that prey heavily on young salmon. They also promised to outfit the major dams with spillway weirs, which supposedly help young fish pass the dams beyond the sucking of the turbines and by transporting some 90 percent of the young salmon stocks past the dams by barge or truck.

Nevertheless, the science is clear that cleanliness, even pristineness of rivers, is critical to the salmon population's recovery, which is in itself indispensable for bears and eagles, which depend on a strong yearly salmon run. ''The actions,'' according to the Oregonian, ''signal far-reaching changes in federal enforcement of the Endangered Species Act.'' The reductions in critical habitat going into effect will impact 20 populations of Pacific salmon and steelhead. Patti Goldman, an environmental attorney in Seattle stressed that exempting lands covered by the Northwest Forest Plan from critical habitat would be a ''disaster'' for salmon.

The feds under Bush have very poor record on salmon issues.

There is not much credibility left to the administration on this one. According to Bush science, genetically similar - but less hardy - hatchery fish are as valuable as wild fish in recovering salmon and steelhead. Every study says different. On the decision to not remove the Snake River dams, which many assert will greatly recover the runs, the feds claimed that ''man-made dams are simply part of the natural environment young fish must learn to navigate en route to the Pacific Ocean'' (Idaho Statesman). Most scientists disagree with these types of claims, which only diminish the climate of study and care around species survival and recovery issues.

The move to destroy the salmon rivers protection initiative is part and parcel of an alarming strategy of negating three decades of U.S. environmental protection by the newly re-elected White House. One main priority is to open up the Arctic Wildlife Refuge for oil drilling. This plan was defeated in 2000 but the administration now has the votes for victory. It will propose the continuation of the nuclear power program, paralyzed by the 1979 Three Mile Island accident. A comprehensive review to limit the Clean Air Act is also promised. The act is credited with cutting air pollution nationally by more than half over the last 30 years. The Endangered Species Act, main line of defense against the logging of the U.S.'s remaining (and endangered) rain forest, is in the line of attack as is the whole National Environmental Policy Act, the one that mandates environmental impact studies of major developments before they proceed. Re-elected by an American population that certainly knew the stakes, Bush's post-environment politics claim a mandate to open the country up for grabs.

"Turning its back"
A grand movement is needed to question this direction for the country. On the salmon and other northwest fisheries, Indian leaders and professionals, such as Olney Patt Jr., executive director of the Columbia River Inter-Tribal Fish Commission, which represents the Nez Perce, Warm Springs, Yakama and Umatilla tribes, see the federal government ''turning its back on that [treaty] obligation.'' The feds are sacrificing the salmon for the sake of developers, say the tribes. The feds' plan focuses on what the tribes believe are failed techniques of salmon-barging and on new technology - removable spillway weirs - that are not yet proven for specific specie.

The Columbia River treaty fishing tribes are denouncing the federal plan as ''a step backward.'' It dismisses their salmon-recovery efforts, they assert, and instead provides more power to the federal Columbia River power system. ''As co-managers of the salmon resource, we believe this plan falls far short of its legal, biological and trust responsibility,'' Patt emphasized. ''It takes the weight off the dams and hoists it firmly onto the backs of salmon-dependent communities.''

Notably, two weeks ago, 250 fish biologists and other scientists petitioned President Bush to make stronger efforts to protect salmon and other fish and their habitats.

Community by community, it would appear that the fight for a livable and satisfying environment is entering a definitive phase.
 
Morning! I sobered up jest long enuf to read the latest from the defenders of smolt. The indians I have hunted with are about the last people that I would react to on conservation. Yes they will lobby their asses off for anything that produces more revenue but the intent isn't good biology. Look at your own tripe. Anti Bush garbage from a bunch of sore losers. We need to drill in Alaska and I have been all over that state and there is no environmental issue. They have already proven the caribou have prospered around the pipeline, the people of Alaska want drilling and a bunch of liberal busybodys from the lower 48 who have never set foot on Alaskan soil think they know what's best for Alaskans. Typical democrap rubbish wanting to outlaw this and outlaw that and make everything just like they want it. Kinda like the French IMO.
 
a bunch of liberal busybodys from the lower 48 who have never set foot on Alaskan soil think they know what's best for Alaskans.
Actually I don't think anyone here is concerned with what is best for Alaskans. The concern is what happens to the public lands owned by all of us.

However, I have been on Alaska soil twice. Should my voice carry more weight than some who has not visited? :rolleyes: :D
 
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