Dept of Interior handed over to DOGE

[INMT]

Just the fact that there's oversight is enough to drive a ton of you bonkers.

Leaving out speculations and assumptions, whats the downside to oversight on the department of interiors?

I was wondering how many posts it would take for you to chime in.

Read previous posts. Apparently you’re the only one going bonkers.

No speculation or assumptions from my end. Real experience and wasted money from supposed efficiency.

 

[elkduds]

Just a reminder that sarcasm does not work in text. Think of the children.

"My kingdom for a Sarcasm emoji!"

 

[rogerthat]

I’m more worried about the Texans, to be completely honest.

This 13-Year-Old Texas Girl Is the Youngest to Ever Completes the Super 10 Slam

Stormy Cunningham completed the GSCO Super 10, proving that age, at least, is no barrier to one of hunting’s most challenging milestones.

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It’s a tradition to go on their first dall sheep hunt after their 10th birthday…these are the traditions that truly define hunting

 

[noharleyyet]

It’s a tradition to go on their first dall sheep hunt after their 10th birthday…these are the traditions that truly define hunting

“They are the ones putting in the miles in the mountains with a backpack,” Russell says, noting that Stormy hiked more than 50 miles to get her Dall sheep, and it took Cami two trips and 24 days to tag her stone sheep. “But what they’re gaining is all the grit and determination and bonding. You can’t buy that.”

 

[TheTone]

Go DOGE

Tired of useless waste. Don't care where it is.

I assume you’re upset then about the taxpayer money spent on golfing every weekend?

 

[CRJR45]

Not to single anyone out , but I love these threads .Some people are so simple , it should hurt to be so misinformed , they'd get help then .

 

[Flynarrow]

Waste and Fraud? This Administration dumped the Inspector Generals of each Dept....their job was to uncover and prevent fraud. Gut the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.....their job was to prevent fraud on consumers. Gut the Internal Revenue Service....their job in part is to insure taxes not fraudulently avoided.

Defense Sec Hegleth just ordered a new Makeup Studio for the Pentagon. Probably to explain to the public how he is cutting waste and fraud And the Defense Budget is proposed to increase....now nearly a trillion dollars and more than the next highest countries military budget....COMBINED.

The Interior Dept is diverse because of its diverse responsibilities. Having some punk outside DOGE folks magically combine/reduce/defund to make it more efficient......doubtful at best. Irrepairably destructive at worst.

 

[44hunter45]

Not to single anyone out , but I love these threads .Some people are so simple , it should hurt to be so misinformed , they'd get help then .

One of my cousins called me a bunny hugger on FB last month. I called him, "blocked"
#winning

 

[Forkyfinder]

The first 5 (not including interest) have not been mentioned in terms of reforms or cuts at all. I can appreciate the idea of gov being better and less costly. Taxes are my families heftiest financial burden - and it is not even close. Unfortunately- all of what has been "doged" matters very little in the grand scheme if you understand quantitative reason.

When someone wants to talk reform of entitlements, mil spending, or were the real problem is - im all ears for any party/politician. It obviously needs done - thats how we got to a place where we spend more on interest than military.

Saying we want to cut unsustainable spending - yet also saying we wont touch entitlements means that america is a long ways from any real solution of getting the gov on a decent balance sheet.

 

[SAJ-99]

The first 5 (not including interest) have not been mentioned in terms of reforms or cuts at all.

Medicare reimbursements to physicians for services provided was cut by 2.8% on Jan 1. The House budget CR also maintained those cuts. Add into that the new tariffs on medical supplies and equipment and you can envision some major challenges for the US medical system.

A chart of the drivers for the increase in the deficit as a % of GDP from 2001 to 2023. The problem is Americans want all that Government stuff but don't want to pay for it.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Medicare reimbursements to physicians for services provided was cut by 2.8% on Jan 1. The House budget CR also maintained those cuts. Add into that the new tariffs on medical supplies and equipment and you can envision some major challenges for the US medical system.

A chart of the drivers for the increase in the deficit as a % of GDP from 2001 to 2023. The problem is Americans want all that Government stuff but don't want to pay for it.

View attachment 369572

Point to me, on this curve, where the tax cuts created less gov revenue please.

 

[SAJ-99]

Point to me, on this curve, where the tax cuts created less gov revenue please.View attachment 369578

That chart is looking at it in nominal terms. We would expect tax revenues to go up if the economy is working properly (see decline in 2008- we don't want that). The economy grows and we print more money (inflation) to make sure the economy grows. That is increase you are seeing. More money in the system and more people working equals more tax revenues. The chart I posted shows the change in the deficit as a % of GDP. Had we paid the same tax rates we paid in 2001, our budget deficit would be under 70% - all else equal- which might still demand a discussion, but at least we can start from equal revenue base. We also have to keep in mind that 2000-2001 is probably a horrible starting point.

DOGE supporters want to posit that the deficit is a problem, while I would argue it, the nominal amount, isn't a problem, but the rate of change is. But a lot of that is because we keep cutting taxes but not cutting the services we demand. We can't have it both ways.

 

[Moserkr]

Every dept. needs to be audited and gutted. The bloated government has put us into $35 Trillion of debt, and both sides of the aisle are to blame. The implications of not addressing that debt are far worse than slashing every dept. by 90%. Total default and the inability to repay our national debt will implode the whole country and we start from scratch. The whining about a few good things being swept up in the cleaning is ignoring the very real issue of insolvency and global destabilization. The corrupt politicians put us into this position and generations of American's voted for it. Theres only 1 President ever who is trying to dig us out of this mess with all the cards stacked against him, even from his own party. It would be nice to see all of the people who stole that $35T put in jail.

 

[TOGIE]

these threads are too funny.

 

[shoots-straight]

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The first 5 (not including interest) have not been mentioned in terms of reforms or cuts at all. I can appreciate the idea of gov being better and less costly. Taxes are my families heftiest financial burden - and it is not even close. Unfortunately- all of what has been "doged" matters very little in the grand scheme if you understand quantitative reason.

When someone wants to talk reform of entitlements, mil spending, or were the real problem is - im all ears for any party/politician. It obviously needs done - thats how we got to a place where we spend more on interest than military.

Saying we want to cut unsustainable spending - yet also saying we wont touch entitlements means that america is a long ways from any real solution of getting the gov on a decent balance sheet.

Where did this come from? Department of defense budget is $850 Billion. https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-does-the-us-spend-on-the-military/

 

[howl]

On Monday, I waited half an hour for a refuge employee to finish a meeting to hand me a piece of paper. I know how long because another employee who was doing nothing told me what I was waiting on. He's the one who complained they were short staffed. At least he said. The other just acted annoyed

Yesterday I observed a fully kitted crew of about a dozen try to clear a tree from a road. Maybe three were actually doing something other than occupying space.

 

[Forkyfinder]

That chart is looking at it in nominal terms. We would expect tax revenues to go up if the economy is working properly (see decline in 2008- we don't want that). The economy grows and we print more money (inflation) to make sure the economy grows. That is increase you are seeing. More money in the system and more people working equals more tax revenues. The chart I posted shows the change in the deficit as a % of GDP. Had we paid the same tax rates we paid in 2001, our budget deficit would be under 70% - all else equal- which might still demand a discussion, but at least we can start from equal revenue base. We also have to keep in mind that 2000-2001 is probably a horrible starting point.

DOGE supporters want to posit that the deficit is a problem, while I would argue it, the nominal amount, isn't a problem, but the rate of change is. But a lot of that is because we keep cutting taxes but not cutting the services we demand. We can't have it both ways.

I dont want to distract from dogeshit - so i'll keep laffer curves and tax rates excluded from anymore replies.

Spending and income are more seperate - but i agree with your larger point of wanting it both ways when it comes to entitlements and tax rates with most Americans. The focus of my post was to highlight that we are focusing on what we metaphorically spent on daily coffee expense and not the brand new mercedes amg we are driving.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Where did this come from? Department of defense budget is $850 Billion. https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-does-the-us-spend-on-the-military/

Where did this come from? Department of defense budget is $850 Billion. https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-does-the-us-spend-on-the-military/

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[belshawelk]

I assume you’re upset then about the taxpayer money spent on golfing every weekend?

of course, just like the last moron taking all time off at the beach and senators, congressman using tax payer paid flights.

Waste is everywhere and it should be curbed, controlled and reduced where possible. Everyone here does it everyday. So should the government. if it means I have to give up a little here and there to stop the lunacy then fine.

 

[Alpine01]

Medicare reimbursements to physicians for services provided was cut by 2.8% on Jan 1. The House budget CR also maintained those cuts. Add into that the new tariffs on medical supplies and equipment and you can envision some major challenges for the US medical system.

A chart of the drivers for the increase in the deficit as a % of GDP from 2001 to 2023. The problem is Americans want all that Government stuff but don't want to pay for it.

View attachment 369572

So major increases under Obama (2008-2016), approximately flat line during Trump-1 (2016-2020) and a huge increase under Biden (2020-2024). And the picture only gets worse:



Seems like the US is headed for a massive readjustment of living standards. Question is, do we take the pain now to soften the blow in the future or keep kicking the can down the road and let our children/grandchildren absorb the burden.