I can go to the photo album and Scan some more Spikes that I've shot in, but i think you get my point *WINK* I might not shoot a bull liek that in Montanna this year, (DANG HIGH standards anyhow ) but in Idhao I might be tempted to drop the hamer *SMILE* ANd I'm a PRICK... I'd shoot first and have him fall over with a stiffy..... Hehe