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Conservancy supports Harmful Nonnative Weed Control Act

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Boise, ID March 1, 2002 The Idaho Cattle Association, Oregon Cattlemen’s Association and The Nature Conservancy have come together to support the Harmful Nonnative Weed Control Act, a bill sponsored by Senators Larry Craig (R-ID) and Tom Daschle (D-SD). The organizations, which will be present at a field hearing hosted by Senator Craig on July 13, believe this bill is critical to control damaging non-native weeds in Idaho, Oregon and nationwide. The Idaho State Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Land Management, and the Nez Perce Tribe will also attend the hearing.

Each of these organizations recognize the threat that weeds pose to the West’s economy and environment. State-designated noxious weeds infest some eight million acres in Idaho alone, a figure that does not include millions of acres taken over by weeds not on the list like cheatgrass and medusahead. The Idaho State Department of Agriculture estimates the cost of noxious weed damage on all Idaho lands to be $300 million annually."It is important to realize that a healthy range is a great deterrant to weed invasion. To help accomplish optimal range condition, properly managed livestock grazing is one of the necessary tools." said Dave Nelson of Mackay, Idaho, President of the Idaho Cattle Association.

"The noxious weed issue is serious. It has become a war that everyone is losing. Millions of arcs throughout the West are being infested with noxious weeds every day,” says Oregon Cattlemen’s Association President Bob Skinner. “One of the toughest problems to deal with are the noxious weeds on federally owned lands. These weeds encroach onto private lands making it nearly impossible to graze cattle on federal allotments and private lands.”

The Conservancy, a global conservation group headquartered in Arlington, Va., recognizes invasive species as second only to habitat loss as a threat to its mission of preserving biodiversity.

“Diverse native plant and animal communities are being lost to monocultures of weeds like yellow starthistle,” says Trish Klahr, the chief conservation scientist for the Conservancy’s Idaho Chapter. “We realize that we simply cannot conserve species if their habitat is taken over by weeds. This is an issue that brings together diverse interests.”

“Some have called weeds biological pollution,” she adds. “It is certainly true that weeds poison our lands and waterways, but in many ways weeds are even worse than pollutants. Unlike chemical pollutants, weeds multiply over time rather than dissipate.”

The bill—S.198—would substantially increase funding for weed management entitities. These groups bring together public and private partners to find common solutions to weed prevention and control. Idaho has more than thirty of these entities, called Cooperative Weed Management Areas (CWMAs), covering about 2/3 of the state. However, for these areas to be most effective, they must have the resources available to deal with weed problems before they get out of control.

“New CWMAs are forming all the time, but as they start up, they often need more resources to address weeds,” says Klahr. “By investing in them now, we can save millions of dollars in the future. Once weeds become established, they’re much more expensive to control.”

Klahr points to the Conservancy’s Hells Canyon recently launched Hells Canyon project, which is aimed at prevention, early detection and rapid response to new weed infestations. The Conservancy, funded by a challenge grant from the Murdock Charitable Trust, is applying cutting-edge technology like satellite imagery to fine weed patches when they are easier to control.

The Conservancy is working with partners in the Tri-State Weed Management Area to battle yellow starthistle, cheatgrass, rush skeletonweed and other invasive plants over a quarter million acres of Hells Canyon spanning parts of Idaho, Oregon, and Washington.

“This is an ideal location for a field hearing on weeds,” say Klahr. “Hells Canyon is one of the most biologically rich places in the West, but the native wildlife is threatened by weeds. Efforts like the Hells Canyon project just would not be possible without federal funding. By investing now, we can save wildlife habitat, recreation and productive agricultural and ranch lands from weed invasions.”
 
Thats BS IT. Just an easy scapegoat for you to blame.
PEOPLE are the biggest cause of weeds to spread, disperse, establish, continue, lay ruin to habitat.
People aren't smart enough to take care of their enviro.
YOU check for the a source to call me on.... Spotted knapweed in MT was established in the Bitterroot Valley by the USDA, it was thought to be a Godsend for the honey producers. Unfortunely there it had no natural barriers to keep it in check.
Many weeds are way worse, in terms of control, than knapweed, and these weeds tend to take over land from the knapweed.
People walk, drive, from infested places to places of relatively clean areas.... thus spredding the weeds. Most landowners in the east side of the state will not allow anyone from the west even drive out to their places, due to them spredding the weeds. My place in Beaverhead Co, I will even come to town to pick up my guests and leave their rigs in town, while they use one of mine for their stay....many of the other folks I know do the same.

Ask BUZZH how livestock overgrazed Mount Jumbo and Sentinental. If Buzz will say livestock overgrazed those two Missoula hills, then I will forever bow down to the "overgrazing" lies you propergate.
 
Lost, I notice you didn't sign onto the "Challenge"! Good thing, or you'd be the first loser!

Are you signing on or not?

As for my "lies", you must not know anything about overgrazing and the spread of weeds. Study up and apologize, or show some documentation of your assertion that overgrazing is NOT one of the main causes.

Here's some articles for you to read on some real basic stuff like the spread of weeds by overgrazing.

"Native grasses of the Great Basin are easily destroyed by overgrazing. Overgrazing, in turn, helps speed the growth of noxious weeds such as cheatgrass. Like most other exotics, cheatgrass (Bromus tectorum) was introduced into the United States from the Asiatic steppe. Because it evolved under pressure from camels, horses and other grazers, it can comfortably coexist with cattle. In fact, overgrazing gives cheatgrass a decisive advantage over native plant species."

http://www.blm.gov/education/great_basin/weeds.html

"Grass ecosystems are affected by historic overgrazing, woody species encroachments, changes in fire regimes, and exotic species invasion. Native grasslands decreased by 70 percent and native shrublands by 30 percent...... Overgrazing of riparian areas resulted in unstable stream banks, reduced bank cover and shade, stream de-watering, increased sediment input, and altered channel structures.

Livestock, roads, and recreation trails have been a direct conduit for the introduction of exotic plants."

http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/plan/veg.htm

This is all such basic stuff I'm amazed you don't know it. And since you didn't sign on to the "Challenge" I'm assuming I don't have to adhere to it when answering your uninformed and very obvious lie about me---so read all this info on overgrazing and weed infestation and then shove it up your ass.

Here's 167 articles on the subject. I hope they all fit.

http://www.google.com/search?q=overgrazing+spreads+noxious+weeds&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=10&sa=N
 
What lies?
Challange or not, You IT are the one with the names bs, no where in my post did I tell anyone "to shove it up their ass"....
You have a real problem with anyone that dares disagree with your hateful propaganda.
 
No, You didn't say to shove anything, but you accuse me of lying and I take that seriously. You can't prove it and never could, and never have supplied any evidence.

Are you signing onto the "Challenge" or not? You seem to be the only holdout, which tells us where one of the main problems has been all along---YOU. (which has been obvious all along)

Read all the info on overgrazing and weeds and admit you don't know what you're talking about.
 
What lies?
Challange or not, You IT are the one with the names bs, no where in my post did I tell anyone "to shove it up their ass"....
You have a real problem with anyone that dares disagree with your hateful propaganda.

Where did I call anyone names? Except for Moosie.
Where do I say anything except refute your "facts"?

I'll say it again, you have a real problem aknowledging anyone's opinion that is not in perfect goosestep with yours.
 
Lost, Here's what you said,"then I will forever bow down to the "overgrazing" lies you propergate." Can't you read what you wrote?

And read what the whole challenge is about---not just name calling.

What's wrong with you!! Ya want a better SI or not? It looks like you don't.
 
Let's see, the root of all evils is overgrazing followed closely by ATV's.

That about sums up your tirade on the evils people are doing to the enviro.
 
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I guess I should have laid out specifics in the challenge..
But my intent was that we would not call names, use derogatory comments, at all!! Reguardless of who did or didn't take the challenge.
I really don't see where lost said anything you should take offence with.
Sure he has a different view? so what, thats what this forum is all about, airing our different views.
that is no reason to say what you did
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If that simple of a disagreement leads you to say something that rude, maybe you should offer an apology. After all you did take my challenge

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Lost,
there are better ways of saying things, instead of lies, how about I don't agree with you, or, I think you are wrong, and this is why blah, blah, blah.

Come on lost take the challenge
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I really would like to see S.I. become a more civil place to visit and argue
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but it will take all of us to do it.
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You don't think I should take offense at being called a liar?! Well, I disagree. And this challenge isn't gonna work if somebody doesn't sign onto it and keeps insulting, calling names, etc.

I'm not apologizing to someone who calls me a liar. Here's what I said in my post about it. "I'm assuming I don't have to adhere to it when answering your uninformed and very obvious lie about me..."
 
I challenge anybody who is willing to participate, to not use insults, personal attacks, derogatory comments, ect, ect. for 2 weeks from the time you anwser this post.

Then how's this.... when I read your continuing posts you are blaming overgrazing for everything from global warming to now weed infestations. I believe you are wrong, NOT every infestation is from overgrazing, tho I'm certain some are. Many infestations are the DIRECT result from some gov't worker that wanted something but as is usually the case didn't know what the consenquences would be.
I ask IT to confirm with BuzzH, BuzzH has an informed knowledge that translates well in his posts, about two local mountains that have had virtually no to very limited livestock grazing that were infested with weeds. IT took that suggestion as a personal insult. Fine, when anyone dares disagree with IT, his answer is always the same.
 
I didn't take it as a personal insult when you suggested asking Buzz. What I took as a personal insult was you stating I was propagating lies.

The interesting thing, to me , about my statements about all the problems caused by overgrazing is that nobody actually refutes them, they just make excuses for why it should be allowed to continue.

And I never said every weed infestation was caused by overgrazing. Here's what I said, "Overgrazing is one of the main causes of spreading weeds." Now, Lost, you want to argue about THAT?! Go read all the backup sites and info I posted!

Let's see some back up from you!! We see very little, ever, from you on anything you claim. How about starting to supply some proof when you make a claim?

Here's what you said, "I believe you are wrong, NOT every infestation is from overgrazing, tho I'm certain some are. "

I take that as saying that I claimed every weed infestation is from overgrazing. It will be easy enough for you to quote me , exactly, where I said that. So, PROVE IT, or admit I didn't say it! All ya gotta do is go over my posts in this topic to find the quote.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 02-20-2003 14:19: Message edited by: Ithaca 37 ]</font>
 
I think you're both right...

LA is correct Mt. Jumbo, waterworks hill, and Sentinel are all infested with weeds, and there is really no grazing on any of them to speak of. How leafy spurge got there, I dont think anyone really knows. I would think it was either by people or livestock on adjoining private lands, maybe both.

As far as knapweed, I've heard several theories, one being what LA said, brought in by beekeepers. I've never heard the government was behind it, but I dont run with the bunker-dwellers that much (I'm not saying you or anyone else are one LA).

That being said, over-grazing certainly does open the door for weed infestations. Most weeds really cant out-compete well established and healthy native grasses, theres simply no real viable places for them to establish. Over-grazed land on the other hand, provides the perfect conditions for weeds to establish and spread.

I have no doubts that livestock cause a lot of weed problems, the available science also supports that too.

I would also agree that people spread weeds too, on vehicles, clothing, etc.

Oh, and LA, I've gained access to hunt private lands many times by telling landowners I crawl under my truck and wash the undercarrige extensively. Which I did every time I traveled to the bighole, or eastern MT to hunt. I dont want to be part of the problem.
 
Guys, can we let this little eruption die right here in this thread?

Lost, maybe possibly take just a couple of minutes to put the extra effort to take the sharp edges off next time? (We all know the BLM links stating that grazing is a problem and they are hard to argue with)

Ithaca, I'm sort of surprised that you didn't rise above that comment but given the tone of the last few weeks/months I can see how you are ouchy about it.

Can we step back, take a breath and continue? I got two emails and a pm alerting me to this, people really are wanting a truce.
 
Thank you Buzz.
When I sold tordon to the corvallis research farm there was a poster in the chemical shed that said something to the effect...."plan the control before the agent is released", then in handwritten "don't bring knapweed again!" I understood from a coupla old guys there that they had brought the knapweed in to see if it was compatible and it got away from them.
You're right most landowners will let you on when they find out how weed conscious you are.
 
I have 2 of my colleges from ajoining counties at DC right now on another weed bill. I get to stay here and cover meetings and lecture for them. I believe in the next several years to come you'll see an aggresive movement toward the combat of invasive plant species.

In my county we have a joint department. I am the dept. head for it, weed and pest management and forest management. Non native plant species don't need a lot of anything to get established. Some weed seed stays viable for 40 plus years. Over-grazing is one of our concerns, so is disturbed grounds, moving hay, off road recreation to name just a few. Just to tell you overgrazing doesn't (spread weeds) it just makes it easier for weed seed that's already there to get established.

Cooperative programs is another tool in a management plan. I have programs and MOU's with the forest service, BLM, Dept. of transportation, other counties, school and state lands dept, farm service agencies, local resource conservation and development org.s, and the conservation districts. Working together is the key to any successful program.

It is great to see interest pertaining to the invasive plant issues. I wish everyone would take your interest.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 02-23-2003 09:26: Message edited by: Troy Jones ]</font>
 
"so read all this info on overgrazing and weed infestation and then shove it up your ass."

How in the world does that comment get past the challange rule's?

"Ithaca, I'm sort of surprised that you didn't rise above that comment but given the tone of the last few weeks/months I can see how you are ouchy about it."



Its sure clear what person's ego we are being TOLD to feed on this forum.

Thanks for the sunday morning chuckle.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 02-23-2003 08:34: Message edited by: Muledeer4me ]</font>
 

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