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"Codes of the West" or, "Yes, cow poop stinks"

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Codes of West detail rural reality
By George Merritt, Denver Post Staff Writer
September 7, 2004

No, we can't plow your road, much less pave it. We're not coming to pick up your trash either.
And by the way, where there are cows, there are cow patties.

Welcome to the great outdoors, city slicker.

Rural county officials across the West, fed up with newcomers' demands for big-city services, are using a Colorado code to explain life in the country.

The code is meant to be a straightforward, how-to guide for folks who trade urban living for a quiet life on the frontier.

Judging by some of these "Codes of the West," sometimes the transition does not go smoothly.

"Occasionally, cattle may get out on the road," Gunnison County's Code of the West warns. "Avoiding hitting an animal is healthy for both you and the animal."

Larimer County's Code of the West explains that "Animals and their manure can cause objectionable odors."

Officials say the codes are rudimentary because they have to be. New residents have to deal with problems that they have never experienced.

"A lot of newcomers don't understand that a rural county like this doesn't have the resources to provide the services they might be used to," said Sean O'Callaghan, a planner in Gallatin County, Mont. Gallatin adopted its Code of the West two years ago.

O'Callaghan said one Montana man recently bought a large piece of property next to a dairy farm, only to be surprised by the foul odors the cattle produced. Since then, the man has tried again and again to have the farm closed.

"He basically called every agency he could think of to get that place shut down," O'Callaghan said. "But there was nothing wrong - nothing that wasn't there when he bought the place."

Al Jones, a real estate broker in southern Colorado, said some of the same elements that attract people to the country - rustic lifestyle, seclusion - eventually drive them away.

"People go out there to get away from it all, then they realize it is too secluded," Jones said.

"Their friends don't want to come all the way out to the house, and all of a sudden (the buyers) don't want to be there."

And then there are those unrealistic expectations, said Lee Provance, road and bridge superintendent for Gallatin County.

"Yeah, it's fun for these people to drive their SUVs on a gravel road every now and then," he said. "When they have to drive it every day, ... all of a sudden they want the road paved."

That kind of forehead-slapping naiveté is what inspired the original Code of the West in 1995.

John Clarke, a Larimer County commissioner at the time, recalled being fed up with newcomers who would move next to farms, only to complain about the noise from farm equipment.

Clarke wrote the first Code of the West as an olive branch to what he calls the "gentrification of the countryside."

"If your road is unpaved, it is highly unlikely that Larimer County will pave it in the foreseeable future," Clarke wrote. "In extreme weather, even county maintained roads can become impassable. You may need a four-wheel- drive vehicle with chains for all four wheels to travel during those episodes, which could last for several days."

There are other tips, too. Calling 911? It will be about a hour - hopefully. Don't like septic tanks? Too bad. Recycling? Be happy if there's even trash pickup. Clarke covered it all.

"I have been told that some of the wording is a little harsh," Clarke said. "I just don't have sympathy for people who move into an area then want the area to adapt to them."

Since Larimer adopted the code in 1996, counties in Colorado, Arizona, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Washington, Kansas and places in Canada have adopted a similar, if not identical, code. Counties in Indiana and Ohio also have picked it up.

And while there are plenty of tales of misunderstandings and squabbles, many newcomers eventually learn the ways of the West - with or without a code.

Scott Ellis lives in Bonner Peak Ranch, north of Fort Collins, where posh homes spread out over rolling hills with mountain views. He said "most people get the picture pretty quick."

"A lot of people go through a little bit of surprise - particularly in their first winter," Ellis added.

"But if they want to stay here at all, they have to adapt."

Sophie Sawyer, a Colorado resident since the 1960s, said it takes a different mentality, even in an enviable place like Bonner Peak.

"Last week, there was a mountain lion over on that ridge," she said. "Last year, I was bitten by a rattlesnake."

And the weather - "You're just crazy to pay cash (for a house) one spring day and think that is how it always is."

That's why Clarke's Code of the West begins with a simple point: "It is important for you to know that life in the country is different from life in the city."
 
Good one Oak.
Someone should of sent that to Jon Marvel years ago when he moved to Idaho then felt slighted by the code of the west and had cow's around him. LOL
 
Good points, all right. If the real estate agents were not so commission hungry, they would make sure people knew this kind of thing before they bought that country property.
 
MD- Where's Marvel from? I know that he was living in Ketchum at least 25yrs ago, didn't know he was a 'move-in'.

Oak- I like that! :D They should also add that if you build a house on every acre that you will no longer see the wildlife you did before the houses went up!
 
1Pointer, your right he has been here along time .
But in doing some research on The Western Watershed Project, you see "The Code's of the west" could of been written just for Jon Marvel and his family.



("Marvel's hatred of the traditional uses of the western states were set by his eastern upbringing and some incidents in his youth. Marvel grew up in Wilmington, Del. and made his first trip to Idaho with his family in 1959. In 1962, Marvels' parents bought a small 21 acre "ranchette" near Stanley, ID.

This is where Marvel's dispute with cattlemen started. "Cows would break into our property because there was nothing left on the other side for them to eat," Marvel says. "When we asked the ranchers to move the cows or help with the fence, they'd just ignore us. I observed an arrogant, unresponsive and unneighborly attitude." (1)

If that was all there was to it, perhaps one could see some sense to Jon's anger. But the facts are often at odds with Marvel's perspectives. The ranchers had rightly pointed out to the Marvel's that it was their responsibility to maintain and repair their own fenceline, which at the time the Marvel's had purchased the land, was not in good repair. The Marvel's, simply stated, wanted someone else to expend the monies required to repair their property.

You see, after the usual range wars of the late 19th century, a compromise was reached in the laws of Idaho. If you wanted to keep cattle off your property, you had the build and maintain the fence, not the rancher. It's been an equitable and fair law, until now.

After growing up back east and obtaining his master's degree in architecture, Jon Marvel settled in the Wood River Valley in 1976 and opened his own shop in 1981. "I have not done a large number of huge houses," Marvel says. "The largest house I've designed was 7,000 square feet. I'm not involved in designing homes at the hyper-exclusive scale." (2) Just a small home designer, according to him. Not an elitist at all!

To put this into perspective, 80% of the labor force in the Wood River Valley commutes from Twin Falls, a city 90 miles south of Hailey. Why? Because common folk simply cannot afford to live there. Land values are quite out of reach for a wage earner who only makes $15 to $20 dollars an hour.

In the early '90's, Marvel found a means to vett his anger against the cattlemen of Idaho. At first, he planted native larkspur on the open BLM and State ranges. Larkspur is a beautiful native spring flowering plant. But it is deadly to cattle. By 1993, Marvel with 3 others of like mind, formed the Idaho Watersheds Project, a non-profit 501(c)3 corporation.

Just what are this man's goals? By his own mouth, "I want you to know that our group will redouble our efforts to put [a rancher] and their neighbors out of the ranching business permanently...." said to federal employees. (3)

Marvel has successfully outbid cattlemen as their rangeland has come up for lease. He has brought an almost countless number of lawsuits against the cattlemen themselves, the State Land Board, the BLM and the USFS in order to wear away, by attrition, not only the resolve of our ranchers, but their way of life. Marvel says he files lawsuits like these because, "Anything that destabilizes the economics of public-lands ranching is in the best interest of Idaho." )
 
Or the best interest of Marvel.

Good post OAK.
 
MD- Thanks. Just was curious as I know a gal that went to school with his kids and she's older than I.
 
1Pointer,as I have said all along I think Marvel is a dirt bag piece of chit.
Not that I don't agree that we should hold rancher's or anyone that uses public lands to high standard's.
Marvel is the poster boy of why we needed "The Codes of the West". LOL
When you read this stuff on him and you see him on TV it's plain to see he is running off pure
hate ,all for a slight he felt as a poor newcommer.

"In the early '90's, Marvel found a means to vett his anger against the cattlemen of Idaho. At first, he planted native larkspur on the open BLM and State ranges. Larkspur is a beautiful native spring flowering plant. But it is deadly to cattle. By 1993, Marvel with 3 others of like mind, formed the Idaho Watersheds Project, a non-profit 501(c)3 corporation."


He planted Larkspur on public lands knowing it would kill cattle ,then bitches about how other people use public lands?
 
Originally posted by Muledeer4me:
1Pointer,as I have said all along I think Marvel is a dirt bag piece of chit.

When you read this stuff on him and you see him on TV it's plain to see he is running off pure
hate ,
What a complete bunch of garbage. That is hillarious to see MD calling somebody a dirt bag piece of chit.... :rolleyes:

And no, the people in Idaho who operate off of "hate" are not the ones fighting Public Lands issues. Idaho has plenty of "hate" groups... But maybe some people just don't acknowledge them.... :rolleyes:


1-Ptr,

Marvel has been in Idaho much longer than most, and I would bet longer than MD. And he has done more to improve Education, Hunting, and Fishing in Idaho than any fat-assed ATV rider.

My guess is someday, our children's children will be able to hunt in the Jon Marvel Wilderness area, as future generations will view him as the visionary he was, along the likes of Muir, Leopold, and similar. I doubt there is any single person doing more for hunting than Marvel is right now. :cool:

But it is fun to watch the "code of the West" changing, as people realize that much of the code was destructive to our Public Lands, our health, and our hunting opportunities.
 
MD4M,
There's a big difference between newcomers asking for the laws to be changed and Marvel asking for current laws to be upheld.

Oak
 
" as future generations will view him as the visionary he was, along the likes of Muir, Leopold, and similar. I doubt there is any single person doing more for hunting than Marvel is right now."


ROFLMAO, to even mention Marvel as being any place close to the likes of Muir or Leopold is about as funny as seeing you post support of Michael Moore.
Thats more of the class that Marvel falls into.
Michael Moore/Jon Marvel/John Kerry/Bill Clinton/Al Sharpton/Jessie Jackson/animals rights/treehuggers/Elkgunner/Ithaca.


Marvel's whole issue from the start has been about his hate for the rancher's that didnt kiss his big fat city privileged ass when he first move to Idaho.
Anyone that can read can see it for thereself.


Oak,I agree with you .
But I do not agree that Marvel has anyone except his own nut case agenda that he is thinking of and trying to execute.
He is one of the most disliked guy's in Idaho ( except to the radical greenie nut cases that support him) and is such a nut case he wasn't welcome to sit in on some of the wilderness plan's here in Idaho.
Even some of the people I know that agree with him on some issue's agree that his vision and way of going about things are way over the top and fall to the nut case side and they admit that he does more harm then good because of his ass hole personalty and his outspoken HATE & aganda to kill the ranching family's anyway he can.

His goal is to do anything he can to hurt the rancher's, period!!!!!!

He is a birt bag piece of crap that got his little feeling hurt what a rancher didnt kiss his butt,and he hasn't gotten over it.

There are many other good group's that are working for and with the rancher's to do whats right for our public land's,ones that do not have the background of hate that Marvel openly states he has for the rancher's and I see no reason to support and help anyone's agenda to shore up there hurt little feelings about something that happened year's ago. LOL
Jon Marvel is a joke with alot of money and hate that is even bigger then his bank account.
 
IT, I know of no conservation, preservation, or grazing associations that are comprised of saints, nor any that are without fault. Why don't you post some that are above reproach?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
I've listed ones that I support. I want to know who people like MD or you support besides the fatassed Blue Ribbon Coalition who, by the way, is critical of hunters and gives them a bad name while having a director who has been allegedly illegally outfitting.
 
Ten,

Don't any of your ATV forums or magazines even keep up with the law breaking, alleged, by the leadership in the Fat-Assed ATV Organizations???

Yeppers, the Fat-Assed crowd never breaks the law, they just need more "edjumacation"....
 
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