I just ordered some 25 grain .224 bullets and a reloading manual from JRP Custom Bullets in Whitehall NY. after reading an article on them in Rifle Shooter magazine. Test results with the 25 grain pill were 3,900+ fps out of a Meachem low wall. He is working on a 19 grain bullet he expects to have ready in a month or so that will bust 4,000 out of a regular Hornet. Cost for the bullets was $20.00 per hundred Moly-coated. Will let you know how they shoot as soon as I can get them in my grubby hands and load some up.