Cable cutter for Snares?

[AlaskaHunter]

If it’s set legally? $0

Maybe it’s time we start looking at closing all bird hunting down December 1st in Montana and have snaring season start after that. Bird hunters have already been at it for 3 months. Might as well give the trapper 1 to maybe 1.5 months of good fur season. Then we can eliminate the conflict

The current proposal is to extend MT upland bird season in 2022 to the end of January (pheasants, hunts, sharptails, forest grouse).
You and other trappers can voice your input on this proposal by Jan 21 at:
https://fwp.mt.gov/aboutfwp/public-comment-opportunities/reg-proposals/ugb-turkey

 

[shoots-straight]

And dogs.

So tell me this. If a trap or snare injures or kills a $4000 bird dog/family pet, what is the trapper's liability?

And for how much?

Good luck in court. The trapper has the right to set those, the dog owner must be diligent.

 

[Hunting Wife]

And dogs.

So tell me this. If a trap or snare injures or kills a $4000 bird dog/family pet, what is the trapper's liability?

And for how much?

Unless the trapper did something illegal or negligent, probably zero.

 

[BrentD]

Unless the trapper did something illegal or negligent, probably zero.

Negligent seems pretty subjective to me. The 1st time, Jess was snared well under 100 yds from a parking area, in a field where guys hunting birds unload their dogs nearly every day. Is that negligent? To me, unquestionably. Had she been hurt or killed, I don't want to think about what would have happened.

I used to trap a bit, but I really have no sympathy for that sort of thing. My support for trappers continues to slide for reasons like this.

 

[BrentD]

Good luck in court. The trapper has the right to set those, the dog owner must be diligent.

The trapper best be careful.

 

[shoots-straight]

The trapper best be careful.

The dog owner would have to prove things past legally set traps. It's not worked well yet. I think the Anti trappers would have been doing it if there was a valid suit. I think reasonable care is the wording. I'm not a judge or an attorney, but know a few.

 

[BrentD]

The dog owner would have to prove things past legally set traps. It's not worked well yet. I think the Anti trappers would have been doing it if there was a valid suit. I think reasonable care is the wording. I'm not a judge or an attorney, but know a few.

Suppose if it was a toddler that got killed instead of a dog, the result would be different?

I'm not a judge, but if someone hurts my dog, my property, it will not end well.

 

[shoots-straight]

Suppose if it was a toddler that got killed instead of a dog, the result would be different?

I'm not a judge, but if someone hurts my dog, my property, it will not end well.

Think about what your writing. Come on man. If a toddler is out there somewhere, and there's coyote traps, and the toddler finds himself into said trap that could catch his neck, I'd question whether the parents should be charged with a crime. Otherwise the trap wouldn't be legal, and yes that person that set such a trap, could be sued. In any normal place a "Toddler" would be there would not be a legal trap.

 

[Carnage2011]

Suppose if it was a toddler that got killed instead of a dog, the result would be different?

I'm not a judge, but if someone hurts my dog, my property, it will not end well.

How the hell would a toddler end up so far away from their parents that they could get stuck in a snare? If that’s the case the parents should be held responsible for negligence.

Edit: Shoots beat me to it.

 

[Jbotto]

The MTA dog release kits, unless they have changed, are a kit with large zip ties meant to run through the eyes of a conibear/bodygripper to compress the springs. Carrying a short length of rope like 3-4’ with a loop big enough for your boot to fit through and the other end wrapped in tape so it can be quickly and easily fished through the trap spring ends will serve you better. I think anyone running dogs should have this on them and should practice it before hand.

Like I said, unless it’s changed the MTA kit is handy and light weight, but doesn’t include a cable cutter for snares.

Found these today in case anyone is curious.

 

[shoots-straight]

How the hell would a toddler end up so far away from their parents that they could get stuck in a snare? If that’s the case the parents should be held responsible for negligence.

Edit: Shoots beat me to it.

Great minds think alike.

 

[Firedude]

The trapper best be careful.

There is actually case law on such things. And just because you won't like it doesn't mean it's not the law. Once your $4000 dog is in a trap, it's not your dog. It is now $4000 of property of the trapper.

I don't know any trapper that's going to push that unless pushed first. We don't care if you get your dog out of our traps. By all means if your dog gets in one of mine do what you need to do in order to get it out.

Almost every county has leash laws. The reason being you are responsible to keep your dog under control at all times. Allowing it to run around at any time you assume some risk. Either that dog running in front of a car, biting somebody, or killing somebody else's dog(Happens WAY more than dogs getting killed by traps). In the eye's of the law you best be careful with your pup.

 

[RobG]

There is actually case law on such things. And just because you won't like it doesn't mean it's not the law. Once your $4000 dog is in a trap, it's not your dog. It is now $4000 of property of the trapper.

I don't know any trapper that's going to push that unless pushed first. We don't care if you get your dog out of our traps. By all means if your dog gets in one of mine do what you need to do in order to get it out.

Almost every county has leash laws. The reason being you are responsible to keep your dog under control at all times. Allowing it to run around at any time you assume some risk. Either that dog running in front of a car, biting somebody, or killing somebody else's dog(Happens WAY more than dogs getting killed by traps). In the eye's of the law you best be careful with your pup.

This is not true in Montana. You don't own someone's dog just because you accidentally trapped it. I asked about the legality of removing pets from traps and a person can do it because it is "simply recovering their property."

I was looking into this because an anti-trapping group was saying it was illegal to remove pets from traps.

 

[huntfishbean]

We use a wonderful little cable cutter to cut seals off rail cars at work. I’ll check on what those are and report back. Lightweight enough that if they end up in a cargo pocket all day, you don’t mind them at all.

Any idea what brand these are and where to get them?

 

[Jbotto]

Any idea what brand these are and where to get them?

They were called the Standard Canle Cutter bought from Wildlife Control Supplies. Seems they have been discontinued most everywhere as I checked a few other trapping supply retailers.