If you are referring to the Canadian studies that are still up on the wild sheep foundation website (as you referred to earlier in this thread) they have not been peer reviewed. I have this in writing from the authors. Which takes us right back to this:
Garde, E., Kutz, S., Schwantje, H., Veitch, A., Jenkins, E., & Elkin, B. (2009). Examining the risk of
So what if goat packers were required to have a current vet certification that they were "clean" (movi free) in order to pack? Like you need for transporting livestock like sheep and goats across state lines?
That is no different really then having proof of vaccination for rabies for your dogs. Seems reasonable. Might get pricy, but if you want pack goats it is what it is imo. Side note: very few things BHA agrees with is based on science. They make statements based on what they think is popular belief, kinda like our government officials. Keep going to those pint nights in your plaid outfits and camo vests and your hiking boots tho, cause ya'll are making a huge difference (sarcasm).
You know, I'm always up for a pint . . . but not so much while wearing plaid.
Have you ever published anything have knowledge of how labs work?
www.mdpi.com
While I recognize that research and our understanding of epidemiology is constantly changing, I think it's important to note that the Alaska Department of Fish and Game and the American Association of Small Ruminant Practitioners have an opposing position. I trust that both of these organizations are staffed with competent scientist that are aware of the literature, and that these professionals have taken the available research into account when promulgating policy.
This is just being a dick.
Thanks for the links, I have read the study for the northwest territories and the BC studies and the Alaska studies. I have read as many studies about llama/goat/sheep and bighorn sheep as I have been able to find. I have some scientific training although I am not a biologist. At any rate, I do not expect to change any minds today. I will put up some information and respectfully leave the discussion unless a direct response is requested. In the event that wildlife managers determine there is a need for a testing program for llamas, I'll comply. Curiosity already has me considering preemptively testing my animals.
ADF&G you referenced, reads "we will continue to focus and enhance our evaluation of disease risk from species other than llamas or related camelids. There is not enough information presented in this report of other current publications to warrant spending additional resources on the issue."
That's not exactly what I said.
Herds that have been previously exposed to Movi but have somewhat recovered can suffer a die-off if exposed to a different strain of Movi. Check out the attached peer-reviewed paper.
Not sure what the point of these posts are and how that relates to this discussion. I thought this was a hunting website. If this offends you maybe you should redirect your campaign toward horse hunters and hunters on 4 wheelers, in boats, etc. At least a hunter with pack llamas has to walk in as opposed to riding in on horseback or driving in.Wasn't trying to omit anything, here's the full quote. My intent was to demonstrate different levels of risk, hence the quote I selected.
"I would completely agree with the Garde document that says -- and I quote, the risk assessment from the Garde, et al., document, indicates that contact between domestic sheep or goats and wild Dall sheep or mountain goats would likely result in significant disease in the wild species. And that particular document advises -- and, again, this is a direct quote -- that domestic goats not be used as pack animals and domestic sheep and goats not be pastured anywhere near Dall sheep. But then goes on to speculate that an additional association would also occur with camelid species. And as I reiterated, the risk of the disease transmission..."
"Indeed, one of the most important pathogens to Dall sheep, Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae or, simply, MOV, has never been reported in camel -- in camelids. It’s also important to emphasize, as been mentioned by others, that horses are actually a greater risk than camelids to wild Dall sheep and mountain goats, as horses have several endemic diseases that can be transmitted to those wild species. And it’s also important to consider that humans develop infections that can also be transmitted to wild sheep. So if the intent of this prohibition is to protect these wild species, then it must also include preventing human and horses be in these areas, as well. Considering that this will not be included in the prohibition, there’s no reason to also include camelids."
I'm not buying that BHA and WSF are trying to limit my or anyone else's access. Is it possible that someone in WSF sees this as killing two birds with one stone and cutting off some DIY Alaska Residents from some areas that guides like to take their clients using horses... maybe? Though honestly I don't think llamas is the make or break factor there. Also, Oak lives in CO and is part of a different organization (maybe WSF as well I don't know), and certainly not an outfitter shill as your allusions seem to suggest.
So this is awkward...
