My wife worked in public schools for quite a few years, she was never directed to push an anti gun agenda. Not saying that quite a few teachers don't have their own agenda because there most certainly are some, but I'm not sure there is some larger conspiracy at work. Of course we're in Texas, so it could be different elsewhere.
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My wife worked in public schools for quite a few years, she was never directed to push an anti gun agenda. Not saying that quite a few teachers don't have their own agenda because there most certainly are some, but I'm not sure there is some larger conspiracy at work. Of course we're in Texas, so it could be different elsewhere.
it grows worse with each passing year.
when I went to high school ,I did a speech in speech class on how to load a blackpowder rifle. nowadays that would most likely get me jail time. here a child can be expelled for bringing an aspirin to school. I recall a story a few years ago , were it made the national news when some child chewed his poptart into the shape of a gun and was sent home for it.
sure,it is worse in big cities then rural areas but there is not a single doubt in my mind kids are being indoctrinated to anti gun in public schools.
not sure I would call it a conspiracy(though that is probably the best word to describe the situation) but it is happening. gets even worse when they hit college.
there was a time when the schools taught kids HOW to think. now they teach WHAT to think.
I also do not believe this to be true of every teacher. there are still some few good ones left but very few.imho
all this said, I do not blame the teachers or the schools for this. I blame the parents for allowing it to continue.
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I can agree with that, if you are letting the schools shape your kid's opinions on matters as important as these, then you are failing as a parent.
Both my wife and my kids made the move to a private prep school several years ago where the teachers are hired based on outstanding credentials, with no thought towards political leanings, and I can tell you that they are now exposed to every inch of the spectrum. From pretty extreme left to fairly right, but luckily most of these teachers encourage independent thought, and are open to discussion. My son wrote a paper, taking a position that he had to be prepared to defend, extolling the virtues of hunting, and it's contributions to conservation around the world for a vegan English teacher, and she had very thoughtful and fair questions, and graded him without bias. She also wrote me a very nice email praising his hard work, and enthusiasm for the subject.
The world needs more tolerance for disparate views. It's ok if you don't agree with me, I have enough confidence in what led me to where I am to not need approval from anyone else, all I need is the same forbearance I extend to others.
Both my wife and my kids made the move to a private prep school several years ago where the teachers are hired based on outstanding credentials, with no thought towards political leanings, and I can tell you that they are now exposed to every inch of the spectrum. From pretty extreme left to fairly right, but luckily most of these teachers encourage independent thought, and are open to discussion. My son wrote a paper, taking a position that he had to be prepared to defend, extolling the virtues of hunting, and it's contributions to conservation around the world for a vegan English teacher, and she had very thoughtful and fair questions, and graded him without bias. She also wrote me a very nice email praising his hard work, and enthusiasm for the subject.
The world needs more tolerance for disparate views. It's ok if you don't agree with me, I have enough confidence in what led me to where I am to not need approval from anyone else, all I need is the same forbearance I extend to others.
This cannot be upvoted enough.
I like how you talk. mtmuley
jryoung
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I was shocked by some of the things they do in public schools here in the uber left Bay Area. At 8:30 every morning at my son's school they have to stand and recite a pledge to their country....the even use the word God. Earlier this year my son wrote a poem to his mother for Mother's Day, and he noted how when he was 5 he couldn't use a gun, but now he can. I'm still waiting for the call from the school on that one.
yeah tolerance is great .
I can tolerate and listen to disagreeing views( even though those disagreeing seldom show the same courtesy) but I can not accept them as being right or good. just can't brainwash an old dog with conviction to change his ways by repeating evil is good.
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I certainly can not think of such an example.
agree to disagree.
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My wife thinks Fig Newtons are delicious. I think they are dry cardboard and would prefer to never eat them again. She's evil.
On a serious note, the moment we've deluded ourselves into thinking that all of our own personal opinions and values and pure and untainted is the moment we've lost credibility with everyone else. And that's true to matter which side you're on. No one, not one person, is factually correct in all things and unable to learn or grow any further.
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Me and my cousin were going duck hunting and he knocked some checkering off the Beretta 390 he decided to bring that day when the truck hit a bump. Don’t know why he used it over his synthetic gun but he did.
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My best definition is a young guy or middle age man who acts like a young guy driving around in a jacked up truck with $2000-4000 in aftermarket wheels and tires. If they are the younger ones it was probably on their mama and daddy’s dime and they have every sticker from everything hunting and fishing product they’ve ever bought on the back window and they Instagram every single they kill with #stayslaying #whackinandstackin etc and they usually have no regards for others land and tear up roads and fields instead of walking to hunting areas and they high five and man hug every time a trigger is pulled with no reverence or respect for the kill. The closest public example I can give is the Michael Waddell Bone Collector show where it’s more about driving nice trucks and shooting the latest bows and hanging out with Blake Shelton than actual hunting footage. Bro hunters are spoiled disrespectful products of the commercialism of the hunting industry. Don’t misunderstand me on the Bone Collector thing. I grew up on Realtree’s Michael Waddell but the Bone Collector thing just seems more of a showcase of expensive gear and high profile friends. Definitely not the Monster Bucks films I grew up on.
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Each school district is different and allows different things. When my son was 12, he did a science fair project using different styles of (scoped vs open sights) (off hand versus rest) and the difference between precision and accuracy. He got an A on the paper and project but they did say at the state level that they probably would not have allowed the project to go through. There are very few kids in his class that have ever picked up a firearm but no one really thought too much about it when he displayed the empty rounds or targets or the pictures of him firing the different firearms.
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Well said!
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I've lived in California my whole life, nowhere near any of the big cities. I've been surrounded by farms and cows as long as I can remember. Growing up all of my hunting was dove, quail pheasant and other small game on private ag farms so walking around with a shotgun never seemed strange at all. Now that I've gotten older and have just started into big game hunting it's amazing how different I feel while hunting. Now that I've been going on public land, even though it's obviously legal, I just feel a little odd carrying a firearm.
Most of that comes from the fact that the majority of the public land trail heads nearby are pretty popular areas for local hikers. Every time I walk by someone I think to myself "here we go..." Luckily no one has ever commented about it and some just say hi and keep going along. I have had plenty of stares or people moving over to the far side of the trail like I had the plague or something. I always try to make sure to tell people hello and give a smile, just to make it as normal and casual as I can. I'll also give them a heads up like "hey I saw a rattle snake back there, be careful," or "watch out for that overgrown trail, I got into a lot of ticks."
Like others have said, our society has come so far away from the outdoor lifestyle that something that used to be so normal not long ago is now viewed as odd and dangerous. I think the best thing we can do is continue to normalize hunting in all aspects (gun safety, target shooting, cooking great wild game meals). I think outcasting those who don't partake in our sport/lifestyle is just making the problem worse. Sure there will be people that no matter what we do won't change their opinion on what we do, but that that have an open mind might help us when they see how responsible most of us really are. Hunting shows like Newberg's and Rinella's makes a big impact when it comes to how hunter's are viewed. It's nice to see them getting so popular for the right reasons.
Most of that comes from the fact that the majority of the public land trail heads nearby are pretty popular areas for local hikers. Every time I walk by someone I think to myself "here we go..." Luckily no one has ever commented about it and some just say hi and keep going along. I have had plenty of stares or people moving over to the far side of the trail like I had the plague or something. I always try to make sure to tell people hello and give a smile, just to make it as normal and casual as I can. I'll also give them a heads up like "hey I saw a rattle snake back there, be careful," or "watch out for that overgrown trail, I got into a lot of ticks."
Like others have said, our society has come so far away from the outdoor lifestyle that something that used to be so normal not long ago is now viewed as odd and dangerous. I think the best thing we can do is continue to normalize hunting in all aspects (gun safety, target shooting, cooking great wild game meals). I think outcasting those who don't partake in our sport/lifestyle is just making the problem worse. Sure there will be people that no matter what we do won't change their opinion on what we do, but that that have an open mind might help us when they see how responsible most of us really are. Hunting shows like Newberg's and Rinella's makes a big impact when it comes to how hunter's are viewed. It's nice to see them getting so popular for the right reasons.
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It felt weird walking through the lobby of the Days Inn in Bozeman every morning and afternoon with a rifle slung over my shoulder. I did it anyhow and no one could have cared. I'd probably case it on the east and west coast to avoid a swat team incident.
I think I'm not reading this right, you're not saying that ideas, views, or opinions that differ from yours are evil are you?
I try not to look at positions that differ from mine as being right/wrong, or good/bad, I just try to remember that they are valid to the person that holds them, and that their life experiences that led them to that position are probably quite different than mine. If they are open minded enough for me to share my experiences with, I will, if they are not, I don't waste time for either of us. Some are intellectually curious, some are close-minded and stubborn, I try to be the former.
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I did the same a few years ago in Casper WY and I couldn’t help but think they’d freak out and call in the SWAT team in Charlotte.
no . I don't believe all views differing from mine to be evil. but a lot of them are !
what I'M SAYING is if you believe those differing views to be evil , it is fine to tolerate those opinions . everyone has the right to be wrong and do stupid. I can tolerate their right to do so. I can NOT tolerate being told I must accept those beliefs to be right and good when everything in me knows it is not...
everyone shouts tolerance . you must be tolerant of this . you must be tolerant of that. you must be respectful ,so not to hurt feelings
I can do that. what I am saying is ,I see very little tolerance or respect, ever coming from those who shout the loudest for them.
if folks want me to show them tolerance and respect , I expect the same courtesy in return.
I really don't much care wether someone agrees with me or not . I am comfortable enough in my convictions it makes no difference . in fact some of those who I respect the most agree with me on very little . I respect them though because they have put some thought into the why they believe whatever it may be they are incorrect about.
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OK, I understand now, I was pretty sure that's not what you were saying. I don't think you should have to accept anything as "right and good" that you don't believe are so, but at the same time, I don't think others should have to accept your feelings as right and good if their life has pointed them to something else. I also don't think you have to be tolerant, but I do think you should be respectful, and it has nothing to do with feelings, I've not mentioned feelings.
It's about understanding and perspective, and you can't gain either with a closed mind. Trying to understand other perspectives is crucial to understanding an issue as a whole. It will better enable you to defend your own thoughts without having to build strawmen.
As for what tolerance or respect anyone else offers, I can only control one side of that interaction, and I know what ground I will choose, and I will do so with no expectations as I feel basing my behavior on that of others is a recipe for being made an ass of, and I have no desire to give up that control.
