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Screwing over the Non-resident (or not)?
The hunting side barely does anything for public lands advocacy. That is the dreaded "non-consumptive" user group that has historically steered that ship- sclancy27
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Elk Caliber and Bullet Choice - 2024
500 gr Easton Axis or 126gr Hammer Hunter out of 270 Win -
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Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
160". His fronts were quite a bit shorter than I thought. Other than that, basically what I thought. I'm sending in his teeth, you can guess age by pics and teeth. -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
Yea, you need to manage them differently. With cattle, I imagine you manage the genetics very specifically, if you can, to express the traits you desire. You can generally control mortality from natural causes (weathers, feed, etc) pretty well, so any negative traits caused by the limited... -
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Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
You would think, just to get an idea on winter mortality. -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
Possible, but no research has teased it out yet. I think I was referencing data from WY, and I believe that they were using pre-winter ratios. So you would expect the spring ratio to be lower, which is I believe the metric FWP uses? Sorry for the mix-up -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
Ok, what we know about "runt bucks", at least from literature, is this. A buck born into poor maternal conditions prioritizes excess nutrients throughout his life into increasing body condition rather than bigger antlers. No, logically, any breeding this buck does would also pass those... -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
As far as fawn:doe, there is a number you need for "replacement", ie a stable population. General research consensus is somewhere around 60:100 fawn:doe ratio. That number could be a little higher or lower depending on local conditions, but overall you need somewhere around 60:100. As far as... -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
Is there a trend for elk in the "mule deer area"? I guess I didn't not anything that specific in anything I read -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
Where are the elk trend areas? Same place? -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
Do you think high elk #'s are exacerbating this? Logic makes me think it would. Regardless, there are serious issues with habitat (either drought related, grazing related, competition related or just natural senescence) to have fawn:doe ratios that low. It's hard to express how low those... -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
No offense, but it seems like a stretch. Most research suggests with ~10-15:100 bucks per doe ratio basically every doe is still getting bred. That would mean that the buck:doe ratio would have to be significantly below that, 5:100, maybe less?. I didn't see any numbers in that report that... -
MT Elk Archery Pressure
I'm not especially familiar with those units, but, if they follow the pattern of the rest of region 3 they will be incredibly crowded during bow season. -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
100%. The real question is why are fawn:doe ratios significantly lower than the WY Range post what many consider the worst winter in the last 50-100 yrs....? https://wgfd.wyo.gov/News/Wyoming-Range-mule-deer-population-declines-after -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
They already mention in the doc that there isn't anywhere further to go with cutting B tags. I agree, shooting them doesn't help. What are 700 fawn:doe ratios? -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
https://fwp.mt.gov/binaries/content/assets/fwp/commission/2023/dec/deer-and-elk/region-4-deer-elk-season-setting-justifications.pdf Is this what you are talking about? If so, yes -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
I'm just pointing out that the majority of this whole thread is blaming populations on "mis-managment". There is no way to explain that fawn to doe ratio with mismanagement. Further, how is it possible to have a fawn to doe ration that low AND population almost half what the LTA is....there... -
Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement
Someone explain to me how 23:100 spring fawn to doe is caused by hunting....
