Perhaps our approach is part of the issue of making the division broader. We continually bemoan people not running with our messages, thoughts, etc yet we rarely ever reconsider our approach. The hunting community leads with it's chest and it's heart - rarely with it's head.
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Perhaps our approach is part of the issue of making the division broader. We continually bemoan people not running with our messages, thoughts, etc yet we rarely ever reconsider our approach. The hunting community leads with it's chest and it's heart - rarely with it's head.
no you were referring to mass e-mails simply advocating for a position. not mass e-mails harassing people and their family.
as far as what the hell would i do? i'd never be a politician, there is no amount of money - my soul is priceless.
so, i dunno
To think that those emails don't get personalized after a few road sodas and get turned into an expression of frustration ignores the reality of mass-email communications.
Plus - if a legislator is getting 10-15 emails from you, regardless of how polite or unaltered the form email is, you're wasting their time, along with the 4700 other emails in their inboxes.
Expecting people to respond positively to a barrage of negative reinforcement is kinda like thinking the stripper really likes you.
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edit: testosterone, and egos
I agree with you, just the way I personally would word it.
same could be said of the other "side." emotional chest beating and falsities lobbed left and right.
the issue really just seems to be we're a minority in a state with an executive and legislative branch who's majority is fast tilting away into sympathy with/controlled by anti hunting.
no amount of tea and crumpets will sway my senator. maybe it would some others.
now obviously politeness, kindness, and authenticity should always lead the pack. i may express frustration in e-mails, but never resort to insults.
however, at the same time, if they don't wanna be called pig ****ers then don't be pig ****ers. actions having consequences should be a two way street. it seems the whole concept of actions having consequences only seems to apply to citizens anymore.
* randy, that's the last time i type out that profanity, i promise. sorry.
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I define my ethics through my behavior, not the behavior of my adversaries. If those folks want to fight dirty, that does not mean I get dirty as well.
Welcome to life in these United States. Was having this conversation with some friends recently, and it's a bit funny for those of us who have worked in hardline legislatures for decades. The shift in CO is no different than the shift in MT, except for the color of the shift. Both majorities can be antagonistic to conservation, yet both have the capacity to pass significant and meaningful legislation/budgets if they are worked correctly. The lesson that Coloradans can take away from this week is that mass emails & calls don't sway hardline partisans. But CO should also learn that there is a big enough swing vote in the senate that can be used effectively if you work on your arguments, improve relationships and don't call people you are asking to do something controversial or daring bad names.
"Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell in such a way that they ask for directions."
The English language is one of the finest weapons ever created Learn to use it effectively when you communicate with those you disagree with and you end up severing heads over biscuits and earl grey. And then afterwards, you get a scone and some tea. It's a lovely way to conduct business.
The consequence of them not doing what you want is you calling them a mean name. The consequence for you in them not doing what you want is materially worse. In this instance the retribution is a fly and the consequence is an elephant. If you want that person to have actual and real consequences for their actions then engage in the political process and knock doors for an opponent - or run! I'd vote for you, like, 17 times.
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Simple answer, not really, and this is our issue. Dan Gates we t over this last week.
One of the biggest hurdles in CO is that these people and decisions are voted in and the changes are all born on the front range. It was so great that 4 of the democratic senators crossed the line. After the vote was over, I even emailed my senator and thanked him even though I did not originally vote for him- and he sent me a personal response saying what occurred was wrong and that Jess wasn't the right candidate.
If the current political situation on the front range is as tight as it appears, I am not sure what we can do other than the try and change the next round of elections to find candidates that might be more wildlife and rural friendly.
The vote went 19 versus 0 on the frontrange - good lord!
I am not even sure what a lobbyist could do to sway any of those 19 unless one of them was convinced that they wouldn't survive the next election.
CO is beyond blue right now and we need to make sure these next round of candidates are sportspeople friendly.
If the current political situation on the front range is as tight as it appears, I am not sure what we can do other than the try and change the next round of elections to find candidates that might be more wildlife and rural friendly.
The vote went 19 versus 0 on the frontrange - good lord!
I am not even sure what a lobbyist could do to sway any of those 19 unless one of them was convinced that they wouldn't survive the next election.
CO is beyond blue right now and we need to make sure these next round of candidates are sportspeople friendly.
We can complain all we want. Can we harness the power of this forum to find possible solutions? As I step back and ponder this problem on a national scale, I have an idea. We need the right people to be the face of our cause. Intelligent, charismatic, likeable people that send the message we want to deliver. We need money to frame the message and employ those type of people. But we need to find those people and all start oaring in the same direction. We are starting to get organized here by calling a meeting of like-minded groups. It is a start.
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Sorry, I'm busy.
I doubt he has time to even wash his hands after he takes a piss these days.
I don’t have time either!
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So word on the street, draw for R and NR.
Status quo for OTC residents only out the door.
Status quo for OTC residents only out the door.
Three guys standing at a communal at the Expo. 1 is from UT, 1 is from CO, 1 is from WY.
1st dude finishes & makes a big show of washing his hands. "In Utah, we're taught that cleanliness is a virtue."
2nd guy starts washing his hands w/a little dab of soap & a tiny amount of water. "In Colorado, we know to conserve our water!"
Guy from WY finishes up, zips up & starts walking out the door. "welp, in Wyoming they just teach us to not piss on ourselves."
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Based on the outcome I think he may have been appointed. He is also right, the flak may have lost a supportive voice on the commission.
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Opinion: My resignation from Colorado Parks and Wildlife commission should serve as a wake-up call to hunting community
Colorado’s values about wildlife are changing, and CPW commissioners need to have a more inclusive view of wildlife resources.
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