To many outfitters just get "guides" that have no idea of how to hunt the species they are going after. They are just telling the guides different spots to check out. The one and only guided hunt I went on the guide told the other hunter "elk prefer the dark timber because that's where the food is". When you hear that the first day your confidence level in your guide pretty much hits bottom. Not to mention the getting up really early just to get 3/4 of the way to the spot then stop and wait until after daylight to go the rest of the way. We're just getting into position for the evening.